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BlanK0, in Easy way to try out a bunch of different DEs?

You can install them like any other package from dnf/apt and then run them with startX (if its X11) or start them via their name if they are Wayland compositors (all this in the tty, the black screen with just letter outputs)

brax, in Some of y'all need to see this and drop the superiority complex...

Are those just made up numbers by some apple fanboy? How does an OS that’s in pretty much everything not have a larger stake?

Korne127,
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It’s kind of baffling to me how so many people on here don’t get the most obvious of joke / satire…

BlanK0, in What's your current favorite distro that isn't Arch, Debian or Fedora?

I am using void at the moment, pretty stable even tho it is rolling release

Xavier, in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux? **Edit: Linux Mint it shall be.**

Like most others have stated here, I’ll also add my recommendations for Linux Mint.

I have helped most of my family, relatives and several friends move and familiarize themselves with Linux Mint, especially those that do almost everything within the web browser (shopping/email/Facebook/youtube/travel reservation/etc…). Since I already was their goto tech support, I showed them around on Linux Mint and they pretty easily got going as everything was intuitively similar to Windows. All was point and click (after my initial setup with their network, peripherals, printer and some basic automatic updates configuration), no terminal voodoo magic for them.

For the younger ones I typically set them up with Pop!OS and Steam and they are ready to jump without me having to explain much. Sometimes, I had to install and help setup a server (Minecraft) so they can play with their friends.

Personally, I use a mix of LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition), Alpine Linux, TrueNAS Scale, OPNsense and VMware ESXi/Workstation/vSphere for virtual machines.

Mind you, I would not recommend VMware as I am currently evaluating my transition options toward XCP-ng with Xen Orchestra or LXD/Incus or something else entirely.

BlanK0,

U should try KVM for virtualization, more specifically virtmanager.

dan, (edited ) in Some of y'all need to see this and drop the superiority complex...
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Wait until they discover that Windows Server 2022 exists. Also, Windows 2000.

stefenauris, in What's your experiences with Debian and Rocky as a homeserver OS?
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Debian is a distro of few surprises and stable but slightly out of date packages. Their software repositories are vast and supported across pretty much every architecture you could think of running Linux on.

Meanwhile the world of RHEL has been turned upside down with Redhat essentially putting a paywall around their sources. Although Rocky currently promises to continue being bug for bug compatible with RHEL it remains to be seen if they can continue to do so (in my opinion)

PrivateNoob,

Yeah that’s one of the main reason I’m interested in your experience. The sorta recent source lock is definitely shaky just in general, although I believe in Rocky’s message that they won’t have to roll their shutters down.

feef, (edited ) in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux? **Edit: Linux Mint it shall be.**

I’d say go with kde as you DE. Personally I like opensuse tumbleweed.

Opensuse gives a lot of „windows like“ features like control panel etc.

Penguincoder, (edited ) in What's your experiences with Debian and Rocky as a homeserver OS?

I use both (and others) for different reasons. However, the primary homelab server I use is based on Debian - Proxmox OS. It runs on the machine hardware you have but then you can run a few ‘fake’ computers (virtual machines) on top of that host OS. This is called a hypervisor. So when running Proxmox on the host, you could run a Virtual machine (guest) that is running Rocky and play around with that. Or Fedora, or Gentoo… or ^A^r^c^h. That really would be the avenue to go to learn about different Distros and nuances without having to breakdown and rebuild everything every time.

My experience is that both Debian and Rocky are stable and very useful for what you need them to do. Debian favors stability, whereas Rocky favors being a RHEL compatible OS. It’s easier to do somethings on Debian, but you may learn more enterprise aspects using Rocky.

jwt, (edited ) in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux? **Edit: Linux Mint it shall be.**

l’d say Linux Mint or Fedora as a distro.

And as a desktop environment (which I think will influence your Linux experience far more than the distro pick) I’d pick KDE or Cinnamon or if you want to go old school XFCE (which is little easier on the resources) (all three stick to a more traditional desktop paradigm, so the switch from windows wont be as awkward)

luckily you can switch the DE pretty easy. you can just install them on your distro of choice and use them side by side if you’d like to try them out (generally speaking, you can choose which DE session you want to use on your login screen)

TCB13,
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luckily you can switch the DE pretty easy

Yes XFCE ftw, until you install some application and it brings half of GNOME with it :)

OsrsNeedsF2P,

That’s how dependencies work. Same is true for when you install your first KDE app.

Thankfully disk space is cheap. Think of all the GBs saved by not using Windows.

TCB13,
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Yes but this a problem, you get very fragmented systems, tons of wasted space and resources (because your CPU/RAM will pay as well) and even worse you create a situation where developing Linux desktop apps isn’t just attractive to anyone.

Just to prove this point I’m sure you’ve noticed that the largest growth in Linux “desktop” apps (be it single developer apps or more “professional” stuff) was around the time Java desktop app became popular and then later on with Electron because at that point those packing solutions were dealing with the Linux DE mess (the constant updates and breaking of things) behind the scenes and the developers only had to add a very few checks into their code to handle all Linux systems.

What I’m saying is that by have all that DE choice and constant fuckery we’re making our lives worse in the sense that nobody same wants to develop to such platform thus getting less software and making Linux less of an alternative. Until we don’t get a single DE with a single solid and well designed theme, UI library, developer friendly frameworks and whatnot Linux won’t be getting any meaningful traction among regular people and professional developers.

GNOME and their large backing was a way to fix this mess and make all other DEs fade away but then their purist vision and CSS themes got in the way of optimizing the DE for the mass market and take over everything as they should have had.

The DE that will take Linux to succeed in the desktop doesn’t need themes, customization and all the personalization that would make it really hard to create. Hell it don’t need to be much, it can even be a simple 1:1 copy of the macOS desktop experience (and keep it updated) and it will likely become very popular in no time and send GNOME, KDE and others into oblivion.

ThatFembyWho, in Some of y'all need to see this and drop the superiority complex...

FACTS don’t care about your feelings! Study reveals Macos is 2 1/3 times better than Linux, massive 27% improvement over Windows!

vynlwombat, in What's your experiences with Debian and Rocky as a homeserver OS?

What would you like to do with your home server?

PrivateNoob,

Ahh yeah I have forgot to mention that.

  • Jellyfin
  • Onedrive alternative (probably Nextcloud)
  • Personal website + it’s backend, or just the backend
  • Pi-hole
  • Probably other ideas which seems fun to host
huskypenguin,

I would do Truenas scale + portainer

PrivateNoob,

Honestly yeah, that’s the more productive option, but I want to learn setting up things by myself.

haui_lemmy,

Hi! Here’s you, like 2 yrs down the road. I have no opinion on the server OS since I started with ubuntu server but my projects went a similar direction.

One major thing I’d recommend is thinking about security: web facing servers with your private data on it are a very bad idea. So unless you mean a website for personal use, I’d split the “home” server and the “personal web server” or vps in two so you have the stuff you want others to use unsupervised and the stuff you use at home and from the road.

Another thought is bandwith, unless you have insane upload, I’d stay away from web facing stuff like websites, game servers and social media instances. This works on a cheap vps with gigabit bandwith up and down. Way less hassle and less security issues.

Suoko, in TIL that operating system Linux is an example of anarcho-communism
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F**** now I got it! Amazon means from Anarchism to Zyuganovism

nossaquesapao, in Some of y'all need to see this and drop the superiority complex...

non ironically, firefox did a jump in version numbers after firefox 4 because people were seeing the low number compared to other browsers, and would think they were behind technically.

Acters,

One of those bigger numbers is better herd instincts

toastal, (edited )

While true & I remember folks actually using this in arguments for ‘slow development’, there is some merit to versioning differently for something expected to get minor updates to perpetually follow latest specs such. I can’t imagine trying to discern what a “breaking change” would be in this context. Or would you make a new version for every visual redesign? Dates might have just made more sense, but maybe ESR is easier to follow with the current scheme.

knfrmity, in What's your experiences with Debian and Rocky as a homeserver OS?

I started my Linux journey with a Raspberry Pi and Debian based PiOS four years ago and I haven’t felt the need to mess with that. Since then I have added other machines running other distros, but the Pi running PiOS is always on and always reliable.

danielquinn, in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux? **Edit: Linux Mint it shall be.**
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Wait, when is Windows 10 hitting end of life? If Windows 11 doesn’t support devices without aTPM, that’s a huge swath of insecure machines.

CrabAndBroom, (edited )

October 14, 2025 apparently.

Edit: could also affect as many as 240 million machines that don’t have TPM.

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