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TheBroodian, in Looking to switch to Linux in the somewhat distant future

Pop_OS. Everything just works great out of the box.

LesbianLiberty,

Alternatively, don’t use Pop_OS. I installed it on an ex’s laptop because it was easy but it’d have all the same problems as Ubuntu without the helpful diagnostic tools and extensive documentation. Hers messed up far more than my Arch install

slacktoid, in How many of you run a Linux phone (Pine64, Librem etc) as your daily driver?
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

Does sailfish os count?

MigratingtoLemmy,

Is it for feature-phones?

toastal, (edited ) in Looking to switch to Linux in the somewhat distant future

Most distros are running the same software. The biggest difference is your package manager & community. Personal preference is NixOS but that ain’t beginner-friendly even if the rollbacks from bad states would help. Arch isn’t as difficult to set up as it used to be & has been more stable than a lot of distros in my experience so I wouldn’t discount it but .pacnew files can bite you if modifying in /etc instead of in the home folder (when possible). Of the things folks normally suggest as a first go, Fedora would probably be my pick (not yet had a problem) as everything Ubuntu-based still rubs me wrong for support & leadership.

Barbarian,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

I actually disagree on what the biggest difference is. For the average everyday user, the biggest difference is the desktop environment. Having a desktop environment that the user finds intuitive, easy, and is stable is by far the most important thing.

filister, in Looking to switch to Linux in the somewhat distant future

93 comments after a post like this, are you guys nuts?

thespezfucker,

126 (or 127) comments now, why does this have 115 upvotes dear god

yetAnotherUser,

I guess (almost) everyone here wants to recommend their own distro

thespezfucker,

think that’s the case lol

Presi300, (edited ) in Looking to switch to Linux in the somewhat distant future
@Presi300@lemmy.world avatar

Here are some of my default choices: Linux Mint, Pop!OS, Nobara, MXLinux (if your PC is kind of a potato).

These distros should work regardless of your configuration with very minimal effort on your side.

trivial_wannabe, in How many of you run a Linux phone (Pine64, Librem etc) as your daily driver?

I used a pinephone as my daily driver for about a month. Importantly, this was 3~4 years ago, things could be better now.

My take at the time: The battery life was bad, the phone was slow, MMS did not work, making a receiving calls was iffy at best.

I really really hope this improves/has improved over time. Android gets more and more difficult to de-google. A linux phone would solve a lot of privacy issues (not all, but some)

MigratingtoLemmy,

I hope so too. However, that doesn’t seem to be the case. The PinePhone Pro is still treated as a development device by PostmarketOS, for example

Pantherina,

It sucks that GrapheneOS supports only Pixels and nobody came along and ported it to other devices, although less secure.

But “Android gets harder to degoogle” is not true. Pixels are just way too expensive

MigratingtoLemmy,

I’m waiting for devices to get the 5.10 kernel or the ones after it, so I can run supported KernelSU builds and take my life into my own hands.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Pixels are just way too expensive

LOL what? The A series are some of the cheapest modern phones you can buy, and an incredible value…

Pantherina,

Yup then that is pretty messed up. I was used to phones not costing over 200€, maybe 300

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

The only phones that cost that much are either several years old (in which case you can include used Pixels) or are riddled with bloatware and spyware and the absolute cheapest of materials that won’t last long enough to make buying it even make any financial sense.

Pantherina, (edited )

Nokia 7plus back then. Great hardware, nice materials. Still working great but nearly no software updates. An indian guy develops LineageOS for Nokia phones though

MigratingtoLemmy,

And the commenter is lamenting how greedy companies are getting and customers agreeing to get themselves bent for these corporations. Apple started the pricing model and Samsung followed suit, and now everyone just takes it as default pricing. This is a pathetic state of affairs

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

and now everyone just takes it as default pricing.

Who does that? There are several great phones you can buy for <$400. The phones of yore were trash.

MigratingtoLemmy, (edited )

Which ones in that range, released in 2023 have custom ROM support?

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I mean I’m sure there are plenty of others, but the one that comes to mind is the P7a

MigratingtoLemmy,

Just so happens to be the only one in the USA

itsaj26744, in How many of you run a Linux phone (Pine64, Librem etc) as your daily driver?
@itsaj26744@programming.dev avatar

I use Kaios , Another embedded linux

Helix,

Which phone?

itsaj26744,
@itsaj26744@programming.dev avatar

Jiophone F220b

MigratingtoLemmy,

Do you specifically use feature-phones?

itsaj26744,
@itsaj26744@programming.dev avatar

Life is nice this way, No bzz, Everything supposed to be done by a phone is handled perfectly by this small thing and for rest (like office,game and code) I go with PC

MigratingtoLemmy,

How do you do instant messaging? Isn’t typing with that harder than average?

itsaj26744,
@itsaj26744@programming.dev avatar

That’s also a thing but I use xmpp,matrix on pc (which I rarely do). BTW I forgot to mention I am full time student so…

MigratingtoLemmy,

Essentially, your usage of your mobile ends with calling?

Unfortunately, that won’t work for me since I need a browser to check my accounts and other needs on the move

itsaj26744,
@itsaj26744@programming.dev avatar

I have actually tied everything to my email so all updates are in my inbox. Calling + email,music,text,calendar,notes,todo and we have a brower for basic ddg searches

superbirra, in How to run command or code in parallel in bash shell under Linux or Unix

xargs section is missing

PseudoSpock, in Fedora 40 Will Enable Systemd Service Security Hardening
@PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Cool, but why is it part of the init system?

NekkoDroid,
@NekkoDroid@programming.dev avatar

You misspelled “System and Service Manager”

Max_P,
@Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me avatar

Yeah, it’s not really advertised as an init system anymore. It’s an entire system management suite, and when seen from that angle, it’s pretty good at it too. All of it is consistent, it’s fairly powerful, and it’s usually 10-20 lines of unit files to describe what you want. I wanted that for a long time.

I feel like the hate always comes from the people that treat the UNIX philosophy like religion. And even then, systemd is very modular, just also well integrated together: networkd manages my network, resolved manages my DNS, journald manages my logs, timesyncd manages my NTP, logind manages my logins and sessions, homed mounts my users profiles on demand.

Added complexity, yes, but I’ve been using the hell out of it. Start services when a specific peripheral is plugged in? Got it. Automatically assign devices to seats? Logind’s got you covered, don’t even need to mess with xorg configs. VM network? networkd handles it. DNS caching? Out of the box. Split DNS? One command. Don’t want 2000 VMs rotating their logs at exactly midnight and trashing your ceph cluster? Yep just slap a RandomizedDelaySec=24h to the units. Isolate and pin a VM to dedicated cores dynamically? Yep it’ll do that. Services that needs to run on a specific NUMA node to stay close to PCIe peripherals? Yep easy. All very easily configurable with things like Ansible or bash provisioning scripts.

Sure it may not be for everybody, but it solves real problems real Linux admins have to deal with at scale. If you don’t like it, sysvinit still works just fine and I heard good things about runit too. It’s an old and tired argument, it’s been over 10 years, we can stop whining about it and move on. There’s plenty of non-systemd distros to use.

g5pw,

Saving this for all my future pro-systemd flames, thank you!

velox_vulnus, (edited )

“Hmphhh”, breathing heavily, one of your half-informed brethren approaches you. In front of you is a bizzare creature that spends day and night modding his kawaii, unproportionally large breasted and rainbow-eyed waifu desktop. On one hand is his aformentioned waifu pillow stained with, let’s not talk about that. On his legs are two large stocking-like socks, no pants and a shirt that says “I ❤️ Poettering”

“Akshually…”, and as he says that, you can hear the velled up mucus, ready to launch itself upon further tickle to the nose. Quickly, you hand this poor lad a box of tissue. Nodding his head, as to be grateful for your act of kindness, he empties all the air out of his lungs. “That’s a lot you’re holding in there”, you silently whisper.

“…As I was saying, systemd is not an init system, it is more than that”, smirks this weird man. As you try to process all of that, to your horror, you realise that you’re speaking to a modder, or as they call it in politically incorrect terms, a ricer. One of those people you’ve never wanted to meet in real life.

“But I do care about security, and the attack surface is now pretty larg…”, you say, to which the man interrupts, “Linux does not have any viruses, s…stop spreading FUD…banned, 1 day”. The last part doesn’t make a lot of sense, but you assume that he’s pretending this conversation to be on a forum, and he is a “moderator”.

“I do care about the basic UNIX philosophy, which is modulari…”, again, to which this gentleman in front of you interrupts, “If you want modularity, then start from making a micro-kernel. Banned, 5 days”, he scoffs and laughs at you.

“But Poettering left a mess behind that is Linux audio, atd you trust that guy? Also systemd is not as fast as he claims to be, how can y…”

“SHUTTTT UPPPP! IF YYOU THINK SOMEONE IS NOT GOOD WITH THEIR SKILLS, THEN MAKE ONE YOURSELF! POETTERING LETS ME CUSTOMIZE WAIFU DESKTOP WITH EASE, STOP ATTACKING LENNA-SENPAI! BANNED, 30 DAYS!”.

“Akshually…”, you mumur, as you leave the room, but the man heard you clearly. “…I am a big fan of Scheme, so I learnt Guile. Now I use GNU Shepherd”, you say, as you close the door behind.

“ARRRRRRRR! BANNED, 2 MONTHS! BANNED, 3 MONTHS! ARRRRRRR!”, you hear the noise behind, content that you’re not one the one following the herds to the cliff.

morrowind,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Gorgeous

What’s poettering though

velox_vulnus, (edited )

Lennart Poettering, He Who Decides What Crap Features To Put In systemd.

Helix,

Just fork it and you can decide.

Helix,

Actually, I use systemd because it just works for me and operating systems aren’t my hobby. Linux is my job, and things that work well cause less overtime for me.

I’m very excited for Debian 13 :)

hunger,
@hunger@programming.dev avatar

The one thing you can learn from sysv init isnthat asking devs to pitncode into their programs or into starter scripts does not work. They will not bother: Those will notmworkmcross platform.

So you need to cebtralize that task. You can either write a wrapper program that sandboxes starts applications in a sandbox or do that whereever the programs as are started anyway.

A separate sandboxing app that starts services complicates configuration: You basically need to configure two things the starter and the service. On the up-side you have the sandboxing code separate. Merging the sandboxing into the program starting the service makes configuration simple but adds moremcode into the the starter program.

So it is basically a decision on what you value more. Systemd decided to favor simpler configuration. The cost for adding the sandboxing is small anyway: It’s all Linux kernel functionality that does need a bit of configuration to get rolling, with much of that code being in the systemd-init anyway: It uses similar functionality to actually separate the processes it starts from each other to avoid getting confused by programs restarted and thusnchanging PIDs – something still a thing in many other inits.

I am convinced that making sandboxing easy does a lot formits adoption. No admin will change the entire startup configuration to add a sandboxing wrapper around the actual service. It is way more likely for them to drop in a override file with a couple of lines and without any problems when upstream changes command line options.

calmluck9349, in December Updates: The Spirit of COSMIC
@calmluck9349@infosec.pub avatar

I think the bluetooth update broke the ability to use my bluetooth headset.

It wouldn’t work on xubuntu but worked on popos now neither…

Chewy7324, in How many of you run a Linux phone (Pine64, Librem etc) as your daily driver?

I’ve bought a Nexus 4 to play around with Ubuntu Touch many years ago, but I really don’t think I could daily drive even a more powerful Linux phone. Many apps from messengers to banking apps are Android/iOS only, so it’d be really inconvenient to use — not to mention problems with calling and a not-so-great camera.

Almost all things I want to do on a phone are possible with a Pixel + GrapheneOS, which also makes an open source, secure and private phone OS.

Usually ssh’ing into a server through termux is all I need, altough it’d be cool to be able to plug my phone into a monitor and have a desktop with me all the time. But it being “cool” is the problem, as it’s not useful day to fay for me. If I need a pc I’ll take my laptop. I’ll probably try it at some point, but that’s many years into the future.

MigratingtoLemmy,

Copying my edit here: I am willing to watch content and use banking apps from the browser. Do you think it’ll be fit for me?

Chewy7324,

Performance and bugs might still be a problem with these relatively young projects. But if all you need is a browser I do believe it might be worth a shot.

In the EU 2FA for banking is required by law which usually comes down to either an Android/iOS app or a chipTAN device. That’s why browser isn’t an option for me. Sadly I don’t think waydroid passes the basicIntegrity check of AOSP [1], so emulation is out of the picture too.

[1] grapheneos.org/usage#banking-apps

JubilantJaguar,

Banking 2FA can be done by SMS too, which is secure enough.

A world in which banking requires us to install spyware on our mobile computers is not a world we should accept.

ritchie,
@ritchie@lemmy.world avatar

Sms is not as secure as a 2FA app or the bank’s own app. SMS verfification also costs money, so it will raise your monthly fees quite much if you wish to receive a text on every transaction.

JubilantJaguar,

As I said, SMS is secure enough without being the nightmare of a proprietary spyware app. As for fees, you have an American perspective, in most of the world SMS has been free to send for decades, and was always free to receive. The ideal solution is indeed a 2FA app, but those never took off.

ritchie,
@ritchie@lemmy.world avatar

I have a European perspective and here you need to pay per text message. Receiving is free, but the bank is charged and they put their charge on me, so they bill me for the messages, unfortunately. In the US SMS is free in most plans as I know.

Chewy7324,

My bank disagrees that SMS tan is secure enough 2FA and doesn’t support it.

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Man, the call problems are a dealbreaker for any phone at all, imo. Maybe not for a toy, but it’s bonkers that they’d release a phone OS that isn’t 100% call stable.

Chewy7324,

There has to be a device to develop support for calling. Since there’re multiple open source phone projects it’s also not simple to just write an implementation for them. Additionally carriers don’t work all the same (different bands, …), so it’s really not easy to solve with the few resources available. As far as I know much of the development on these phone OS is done by volunteers and pine64 isn’t a big established company either.

Pixel, in What are you most excited when it comes to linux in 2024?

Bcachefs, love COW files. I wish all file systems had it even if it naively copied the whole file on first write. Sort of a write safe hard link.

Chewy7324, in Fedora 40 Will Enable Systemd Service Security Hardening

This is great and already used on some distros like NixOS for many services. Regular users won’t notice this change.

Chewy7324, in December Updates: The Spirit of COSMIC

[…] you can now set a shortcut to move entire workspaces to another display as well.

Awesome! This makes working with multiple workspaces on multiple monitors so much better. For some reason it’s missing on all DE’s/OS I’ve tried and only found on some tiling compositors like sway and hyprland.

Linux 6.6.6 has also been released, bringing about the end of days, raining fire upon the lands, and setting in motion a new era some may call: 2024. May the cosmic entities save us all.

Great to see the beastly Linux kernel being acknowledged. Happy Holiday!

AnomalousBit, in How many of you run a Linux phone (Pine64, Librem etc) as your daily driver?

Would really love to but have yet to see basic phone functionality covered in a way that isn’t a painful compromise. Stock Android is a privacy nightmare, which is why I left it. I had some fun with Cyanogenmod back in the day, maybe there’s another de-googled Android distribution around today but since I last checked I couldn’t find one that runs on modern mainstream hardware without really jumping through some crazy hoops to establish root.

rImITywR,

Cyanogenmod became LineageOS. It can be run fully de-googled or with Gapps.

GrapheneOS is also worth looking at.

Both run on modern hardware and are super simple to install.

AnomalousBit,

Will definitely give these a look, thank you for the updates.

Can you speak to your experience with any of these? Would love to hear a first hand account!

Extrasvhx9he,

I’m not that person but I’ve been using GrapheneOS for about 8 months now. Setting up an esim was probably the worst thing I had to do but it was still relatively easy. Lmk if you got any questions

rImITywR,

I ran Lineage on my OnePlus 5 for a few years until I replaced it with a Pixel 8 last month. The first thing I did with it was install GrapheneOS. I have not had any issues so far.

MigratingtoLemmy, (edited )

I would have to dispute your claims on this one. The only really modern mobiles running Lineage OS (by modern I mean released in this year and the previous year) are perhaps some European Xiaomi/Realme devices, maybe a couple of Samsungs, the last-gen OnePlus and some Motorola devices, and the Pixels.

As I have been complaining for a long while now, the entire custom ROM market is moving towards the Pixels, which is a dreadful move in my opinion, but what I can do

ryannathans, (edited )

Motorola edge 30 runs just fine and has done practically since it launched, typing this on it now

MigratingtoLemmy,

In Europe? AFAIK Motorola’s latest devices don’t have builds on the Lineage OS website (from 2023) but I might be wrong.

ryannathans,

Australia

MigratingtoLemmy,

Lucky

ryannathans,

Why?

MigratingtoLemmy,

You get more options

JackGreenEarth,

Yeah, my Motorola g73 isn’t supported.

MigratingtoLemmy,

Yeah

kick_out_the_jams, (edited )

It's mostly up to which manufacturers allow boot loader unlocking.

The pixels are somewhat a continuation of the nexus line which were more developer centric.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Would really love to but have yet to see basic phone functionality covered in a way that isn’t a painful compromise. Stock Android is a privacy nightmare, which is why I left it.

I’ve been using GrapheneOS for about a year now and it’s a giant leap in privacy and security (much better than iOS), with very little compromise in functionality.

MigratingtoLemmy,

iOS being secure is a farce which the population has just gobbled up without reason

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