Petter1,

When you say webapps, may I ask what method you prefer for using PWAs on Linux? Do you install them as apps? If so, how?

parallax,
@parallax@local106.com avatar

I mean in firefox, not trying to get fancy.

QuazarOmega, (edited )

I use Brave pretty much just for that purpose, while I use Firefox to browse everything else.
There is Firefox PWA, but it feels like such a shitty hack (don’t get me wrong, it’s not badly made, but they’re forced by the circumstances to make a setup process that is one big headache) that I’d rather have a browser that has official and solid support and it also doubles as my browser to test web content on Blink, so it’s a win-win for me

Petter1,

Yea, I tried with Firefox PWA, but as you have told, it was not usable for me. Most PITA was, that I had to install my plugins on any PWA again and again… I would love using a browser which is not chromium based but has nice PWA features.

QuazarOmega,

Maybe you can try GNOME Web if you don’t like Chromium, it should have them too, not sure how good the implementation is, though

Petter1,

It seems to work as I want 😃 thank you!

QuazarOmega,

Awesome!

Pantherina,

Problem is that Webapps require a very unhardened browser. Complete caching, cookies saved, serviceworkers in the background, so if Firefox got the feature hardening would break it

QuazarOmega,

Isn’t that kind of the point though? I’d appreciate the option, but I don’t know how usable actual web apps would be without access to those things

Pantherina,

Yes of course. Thats why support would totally be possible, but it needs to be a seperate unhardened firefox profile. Then all good.

Pantherina,

Any chromebook that supports Coreboot. Absolutely unrepairable and very low storage, but good Linux support and coreboot!

mrchromebox.tech/devices

13617,

But be aware a ton of features that would work on ChromeOS don’t work, I’ve done this to 4 and all have separate problems

Pantherina,

Very interesting! I had an Acer Chromebook I couldnt even open up, so I got rid of it as fast as possible.

Could you share experiences?

  • keyboard layouts, missing buttons
  • what features are missing?
  • anything else thats good to know?
BaroqueInMind,
@BaroqueInMind@kbin.social avatar

Just buy a tablet at that point.

jcarax,

With a terminal being a core use for the machine?

BaroqueInMind, (edited )
@BaroqueInMind@kbin.social avatar
jcarax,

Yeah, trying to use either a soft keyboard for that, or a tablet keyboard while lounging on the couch.

BaroqueInMind,
@BaroqueInMind@kbin.social avatar

I bet you money that you statistically use the touch screen keyboard on your phone significantly more than you ever are to your hardware keyboard for your PC.

jcarax,

You would be very very wrong, since I hardly use my phone.

But to your point, a soft keyboard is very different for conversational input that autocorrect and predictive typing excels at, and command entry and scripting where syntax is critical and you aren’t really typing in English or some other language.

conciselyverbose,

I write and run plenty of small to medium Python scripts on my iPhone. It's an adjustment, but it's absolutely manageable.

jcarax,

Is that your preference?

conciselyverbose,

Not particularly. I use it because it's always available.

But the limiting factor is way more the lack of real estate than it is typing.

jcarax,

I’d much rather have something with a dedicated keyboard and sturdy hinge.

rikonium,

When you say “couch” my first thought is a recent-ish Celeron or Pentium Silver fanless laptop. Performance akin to a Core 2 Duo but no fan to get blocked sitting on the couch. Like the Latitude 3210(?)

Laptops that appeal to me are often bottom breathers so it’s one thing I miss from my old MB Air.

lemming741,

My couch laptop is an i5-5200u and it does great until you get more than 2 heavy browser tabs open.

mfat,

Thinkpad 11e

parallax,
@parallax@local106.com avatar

Ooo I think this may be the winner!

independantiste,
@independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

The ultimate couch laptop will be an M1 MacBook Air as it has no fans and a suped up phone chip so it doesn’t heat. It also has amazing battery life… But it’s still pretty expensive and it cannot be repaired. Otherwise old MacBooks should be pretty good because most of the Intel models used relatively low end chips because their thermal design was so limited

MadBigote,

He also said Linux-friendly, lol.

ThePhantomGM,

Old macbooks are honestly great in terms of linux support

independantiste,
@independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

Afaik the M1Air is fully functional for this use case. I think only small things like the fingerprint sensor and deeper processor features are missing

mfat,

I recentry tried an M2 Air and was just amazed how lightweight it was.

Kushia,
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

Ex-corporate refurbished laptop from the last 3 or 4 years for about $300 tops is perfect for this.

shortly2139,

Can confirm, I use an old HP elitebook from work. Battery life is great, beats my wives new lenovo. More than powerful enough to browse the web and play in the terminal. Also only gets hot if I run a game on it; I wouldnt advise that though.

EuroNutellaMan,
@EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world avatar

why would you buy a laptop that beats your wife’s laptop? That seems abusive.

BeatTakeshi,
@BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world avatar

But honey, I can change (the OS)

spader312,

Can confirm, bought a Dell latitude 4790 which is a corporate machine refurbished for $270. It’s super powerful for the price, runs Fedora perfectly.

darklamer,
@darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

For the usecase you describe, I’d go with a Chromebook, and build ChromeOS from source myself if that aspect felt important.

Pantherina,

ChromiumOS would be better. But you can flash coreboot on lots of Chromebooks and run real Linux on them

aodhsishaj,
Pantherina,

www.ebay.com/itm/155206247310

Without the trackers

alonely0, (edited )

I prefer the T480 series (imo Thinkpad went downhill from there onwards). The non-s is a great off-road laptop, but for what OP is asking, the T480s seems like a more sensible choice.

parallax,
@parallax@local106.com avatar

I was leaning thinkpad.

AngryDemonoid,

I have that same laptop, and it sounds perfect for what you want. Cheap, repairable, and runs linux well.

CorrodedCranium, (edited )
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

What about something like the Thinkpad X201? It’s not ultralight but it is quite small.

Other than that I’d probably say a Chromebook with a Linux install. Second hand they are quite cheap and can likely do what you are after. A lot of them have passive cooling which is nice for a couch device. I was able to install libreboot on my C201P quite easily and now it just runs a traditional Linux install

n2burns, (edited )

I’m writing this on my x201 on my couch. I love it, but it’s not a great couch laptop. It’s kind of heavy, runs hot, and has poor battery life vs more-recent comparables.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Yeah the heat would be what would make me hesistate to use it as a couch laptop but if OP wants something cheap I would say it’s an okay option

IsoKiero,

I used to have X230 as a daily driver for laptop (I got separate desktop) and it’s a really nice machine for it’s size. Only the display is a bit lacking by todays standards as it’s only 1368x768, but for 150€ (give or take) it’s not too bad.

alonely0, (edited )

I have a second-hand Thinkpad T480s that I love, I bought it for 250$ on ebay and replaced its battery because it was fried (+40$). I use it for school and it works flawlessly, around 8h of battery life in a well-configured OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. According to the specs sheet it shouldn’t be, but for some reason it is noticeably lighter than a friend of mine’s MacBook Air 2021.

What I really love about it is the ThinkDock Ultra (iirc 30$ on ebay), which lets me place the laptop on my table, and by just sliding a piece of plastic, it connects all of my peripherals in a second. I love this laptop so much that I’ll use it until it dies so hard that it can’t be fixed at all.

laptop, coverlaptop, opendock, no laptopdock, I/Olaptop + dock

Pantherina,

I found a T430 dock, its so nice

WhyAUsername_1,

Thanks for sharing the pictures! Loved it!

LainOfTheWired,
@LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol avatar

It’s not the thinnest thing ever, but I find my old ThinkPad X230 very light and easy to use for extended periods on my lap

Pantherina,

And its corebootable!

GameWarrior,

Would a Framework laptop work?

PainInTheAES,

I have a framework and love it but it’s probably not the best option for this. It’s kinda overkill and they can get a bit hot and loud. More of a desk laptop than a lap laptop IMHO. Also depends on how long you need the battery to last but this is reportedly better in the newer models.

parallax,
@parallax@local106.com avatar

If it was going to be my daily drive. They are just too expensive to have as a system I can use while sitting with the family.

stargazingpenguin,

What price bracket are you looking at? The two laptops that I normally use in that situation is a used Thinkpad X1 Carbon I got on eBay, and a HP Dev One that works pretty well for that.

parallax,
@parallax@local106.com avatar

I am fine with refurbished but ideally looking for around 13" and under a couple hundred bucks

stargazingpenguin, (edited )

The Thinkpad link that was shared below looks pretty nice, they tend to be fairly cheap and easy to get replacement batteries and parts. There’s a lot available in that $150 to $200 bracket on eBay. Edit: I just saw it’s 14", so a bit bigger than what you wanted. You can filter by screen size and price on eBay to give you an idea of what you can get. You may need a new battery depending on the age, so keep that in mind.

ILikeBoobies,

I used a Pinebook for that

Pierre, (edited )

I went with a used ThinkPad yoga 370. It still only has a dual core while the following Gen has 4 cores, so it seemed there was a price gap. It has thunderbolt 3 for when I want to switch to a bigger screen (with a cheap USB c dock) and USB c charging. Also I wanted to try a touchscreen on a laptop. I should be able to upgrade the single ram stick in it at some point. Running arch with sway without problems.

Edit: I had a x240 for years before. It was fine but I appreciate the higher resolution of the 370, even if I ended up using fractional scaling as it was just a bit too small.

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