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thelastknowngod, in nixCraft 🐧 (@nixCraft@mastodon.social)

This is dumb.

You could do all that stuff with bash scripts but it would be a management nightmare. You’d also be completely reinventing the wheel.

If anyone seriously thinks this is a good idea, please post your LinkedIn so I know to never hire you.

nevemsenki,

It depends. I use k8s a lot, and annoyingly enough we still happen to use cronjobs and bash scripts to ā€œautomateā€ certain tasks. Maybe it’s inertia, but bash is certainly easy to fall back to…

thelastknowngod,

Yeah I am deep in the kube world as well. Since this industry-wide shift started happening, I feel like I write essentially no code anymore outside of bash scripts to glue things together. It’s essential but it’s not a replacement.

This cartoon seemed to me to be suggesting that you could implement the behavior of kube with bash. That’s obviously absurd.

bradbeattie,

Totally possible to go overboard in either spectrum of complexity. But yeah, take Prometheus for example. It’s super easy to set up and does a great job of metrics. Reimplementing this in bash would require… a lot of work.

Mango, in An unbiased comparison of linux distributions' setup

I’ve tried Arch before. I don’t really remember it being a hassle. I’ve even installed Gentoo but never used it. Sabayon was the good shit.

stefenauris,
@stefenauris@pawb.social avatar

omg I remember Sabayon! The theming was terrific on it

Mango,

All the goodness of Gentoo with pacman and none of the pain! Nightly builds! BLEEDING EDGE.

spaghettiwestern, (edited ) in My PC is hacked

A friend’s neighbor just fell for this. She received a call from the ā€œnicestā€ Microsoft tech and decided she’d let them into her PC. Within 10 minutes after hanging up she received a call from her bank asking if an $800 debit was valid. It took her weeks to clean up the mess.

Amends1782,

Naievety tax

Holzkohlen, in My PC is hacked

Well Manjaro is known for DDOSing the AUR. So there is that

PlantObserver, (edited ) in Linux laptop recommendation threadšŸ§šŸ’»

I have a very similar use case so here is my opinion.

HARDWARE

-No dGPU unless this is your PRIMARY gaming computer. (Reason: better battery life, lighter laptop, with recent AMD iGPU you have decent performance for non-VR/not massive openworld AAA games.)

-recent AMD CPU. (Reason: better performance to watt ratio than Intel which makes a big difference for most of your use cases. Better multi-core performance which makes compiling code much faster. Massively better iGPU for light-medium duty gaming.)

-atleast 16GB ram if not expandable but as much as you can reasonably budget.

-16:10 or taller aspect ratio screen (16:9 sucks on laptop size devices, the extra height makes a big difference for school, coding, browsing, pretty much everything but watching 16:9 movies)

-Resolution: personal preference. IMO 1080p or 1920*1200 for 16:10 is ideal for 14" and below laptops. Lower resolution means better battery and on a small screen the PPI is high enough. If you are OK with a trade off of battery life and want a super crisp display then 2K is the highest I would go. 4K is retarded on laptop sized screens unless you are plugged in 90% of the time and you’ll have to fuck with scaling then.

-metal body for stiffness and durability

-decent key travel (usually longer travel means better IME)

If you want to do machine learning/AI work professionally I use and recommend investing in a dedicated desktop with a large memory nvidia (cuda cores) GPU and installing the cuda drivers. Trying to cram commercially viable ai hardware into a laptop is a losing battle and you’ll end up with a worse experience for both use cases, wont be able to fit large models in the memory anyways, and end up buying a desktop for AI while being stuck with a laptop that is worse for laptop use)

SOFTWARE

#1 Nobara OS KDE - best OOB experience for gaming IMO. Easy transition from windows. Has kernel fixes and many laptop specific fixes (asusctrl for example) by default which means you have a good chance of extra features like LEDs, fingerprint, etc working without tinkering). Fedora based.

#2 Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE6) - best non-gaming distro to learn and grow into IMO. Access to deb packages. Stable. (nobara has been stable for me as well, but it is LMDE’s bread and butter). Ease of transition from windows. Can game just as well if you are capable of following simple instructions to configure the stuff done by default on nobara and pop (may need to manually change kernels, drivers, etc to get the best performance on new hardware)

#3 Pop_OS - used it for years, but I prefer Nobara after comparing. Ubuntu based so you have access deb packages without ubuntu’s bullshit. Setup out of the box for gaming. I got fed up with failed updates, broken packages, and sluggishness so I swapped to nobara which has been a treat.

EDIT: you can snag some good deals on amazon warehouse deals (used-like new) laptops. These are usually just open box returns and if there is anything wrong you have 30 days to return it.

I recently upgraded to an Asus vivobook S 14x OLED (M5402R) for $780 CAD ($580USD) with a ryzen 7 6800H, 16GB DDR5, a 1TB gen 4 nvme, and it has zero signs of use, slight coil whine under load that I can only hear if I put my ear next to the keyboard and don’t have any sound or music on (I suspect this was the reason for the return on mine since its a common complaint for this model. That’s what I was hoping for since I’m not that picky and its worth the steep discount IMO.) Everything works oob on Nobara. I believe lenovo also regularly heavily discounts their previous gen thinkpads which are a great option, although the AMD configs are rare. Good luck!

01189998819991197253, (edited )
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

I just received a 2010 MacBook pro, but don’t like macos and the 2010 can’t support modern Mac. So, Linux. I installed budgie completely forgetting it was snap. I was planning to install LMDE. I’ve never heard Nobara OS, so will give it a shot first. Thanks!

TheGrandNagus,

Nobara is just Fedora with some tweaks.

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

I was reading their site after I posted, and saw that. I do love Fedora! It’s going on the MacBook. Hopefully the antiquated hardware can handle it smoothly. I’ve always got antiX lol.

fl42v,

I can only argue with metal body here: that’d vary on model-to-model basis. I’ve had a few thinkpads made of plastic, and they’re fine after a few drops here and there, and hinges are alive and well, also I’ve seen some (mostly new-ish) laptops made of literal aluminum foil that are bent AF; what’s even worse, one wasn’t even what they call unibody, i.e. the frame was sandwiched of aluminum shell and a piece of crappy plastic with heat inserts for screws → after like a year of normal usage those inserts literally broke off with the surrounding plastic.

The latter one was some ultrabook by HP. Namedropping here 'cause I have some personal issues with their products, so, frankly speaking, fuck them in particular :)

eatham,
@eatham@aussie.zone avatar

HP products are just always shit. I have a HP pavilion which was made of plastic, and it is basically unusable after 2 years of normal use. The plastic is the lowest quality crap I’ve ever seen.

Tangent5280,

I’d like to declare that HP sucks ass. That is all.

eatham,
@eatham@aussie.zone avatar

HP products are just always shit. I have a HP pavilion which was made of plastic, and it is basically unusable after 2 years of normal use. The plastic is the lowest quality crap I’ve ever seen.

Thcdenton, in Linux users when
eskuero, (edited ) in There is no such thing as too many fans...
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Downvoted for not modding the PSU fan

backhdlp, in One of the few times I've downvoted
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Average redditor who didn’t grow up to understand that opinions exist:

riodoro1, in which ones do you think I missed?

Richard Stallman

Are you sure about that one?

archonet,

yeah, that would arguably be even more awful than Elon, Stallman has been a known asshole for many years

lolcatnip,

If you’re talking about what he’s accused of saying, he did not say that. People kept repeating a badly garbled version of what he said that makes him sound awful, even though his actual words are easy to find and completely disprove the accusations.

topinambour_rex,
@topinambour_rex@lemmy.world avatar

So what he been accused of saying that he didn’t said ?

misophist,

Some examples are mentioned in this article

topinambour_rex,
@topinambour_rex@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I read this article, or his comment about how it’s only natural for adult to be attracted to adolescents. I was more interested by @lolcatnip answer. But as a billionaire, he could buy tons of feet cheese.

TheGrandNagus,

Sure. Here are some of his words:

ā€œThe nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, ā€˜prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia’ also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally–but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.ā€

RMS on June 28th, 2003

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing. "

RMS on June 5th, 2006

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.

Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That’s not willing participation, it’s imposed participation, a different issue. "

RMS on Jan 4th, 2013

kilgore_trout,

Yes.

SapphironZA, in This truly is the year of the linux desktop

Year of the Steamdeck. Praise Gaben!

vexikron, (edited ) in This truly is the year of the linux desktop
lseif, (edited ) in Alpine Linux is just Busybox in a Linux Distro trenchcoat

I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, BusyBox/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, BusyBox plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning BusyBox system made useful by the BusyBox corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX…

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clearleaf,

I know this is a joke but people calling it busybox/linux is how I came to understand what makes linux a separate thing from gnu.

speaker_hat, in usb formatting

That’s why it called dd: don’t dare

azvasKvklenko, in It's OK if you cry

Extremely outdated, but would still work with fingerprint sensors or NFC readers

PeWu,

I had a case where fingerprint sensor was working out of the box fortunately. Although I had a problem where cryptfs would stop authenticating successfully with fingerprint sensor after distro update

AVincentInSpace,

What display manager do you use? I have not been able to get Howdy to work without also typing my password with SDDM

Aganim,

Absolutely not outdated. I had a horrible time getting my hands on a working driver for the WiFi card in my brand new laptop last year. Horrible enough to resort to Ubuntu and even that gave me the finger. When I finally had it working I had to manually rebuild the damned thing each kernel update because I couldn’t convince DKMS to do it automatically. Had to wait two or three kernel releases for the card to be supported ā€˜out of the box’.

So no, fuck WiFI drivers in Linux. If it is not in the kernel and the manufacturer doesn’t provide one, don’t expect fun times.

woelkchen, (edited )
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Outdated for Linux Intel, still valid for Broadcom, probably not so bad for somewhat recent Realtek and AMD/Mediatek (last I’ve read is that Mediatek WiFi hardware sucks in general and disconnects happen on Windows, so the same happening on Linux would be the fault of the Linux driver).

EDIT: Accidentally wrote Linux instead of Intel.

Prismey,

I installed linux on a new pc 2 days ago, had no problem with the wifi drivers. I don’t know if it’s the fact that the wifi is integrated on the motherboard, but it was up and running without any tweeking from me (unlike windows)

Aganim,

In my cause it was actually a newer type of Realtek chip. šŸ˜ž

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

But was the cause the Linux driver or the hardware? If the fault is the hardware and the experience on Linux is the same as on Windows, it’s feature parity.

If in doubt, get an Intel WiFi card. Even in otherwise not upgradeable notebooks those are usually not soldered on. Also whatever is in a Steam Deck OLED looks like a good pick.

SimplyTadpole,
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Does Intel sell wifi cards that use USB rather than PCI slots? My motherboard doesn’t have the slot for a wifi PCIe card, and I’ve only seen Intel sell those :/

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Does Intel sell wifi cards that use USB rather than PCI slots?

AFAIK the problem is that the chip itself was only developed with the PCI protocol in mind.

SimplyTadpole,
@SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I see, that is a shame…

Aganim,

It was the driver, now that support is provided by the kernel it is rock-solid.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Realtek upstreamed their drivers in 2020 or 2021. I got rid of my last notebook with Realtek hardware for unrelated reasons.

SimplyTadpole, (edited )
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I can absolutely confirm it’s still valid for Realtek. I had one using the RTL8812AU chipset that basically no kernel version nor distro provided out of the box, so I constantly had to download a third-party driver from Github and manually patch it via dkms, or use a third-party repository containing the driver package… and then the driver broke so badly that it wouldn’t let me update at all unless I uninstalled it, which left me without the internet I needed to actually update, effectively leaving me unable to update until I could buy another one from Mediatek that’s compatible.

And said Mediatek wifi is really slow, so I just went from the frying pan into the fire…

woelkchen, (edited )
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

I can absolutely confirm it’s still valid for Realtek. I had one using the RTL8812AU chipset

Yeah, and I was explicitly writing about recent chips. RTL8812AU isn’t recent. The very latest Windows driver is from 2018, so the chip itself was released a good while before that.

I know exactly what you had to go through because I had to do the same with mine a couple of years ago but since then for newer chips Realtek started contributing to Linux itself:

which left me without the internet I need

USB tethering your WiFi-connected phone would have worked as stop gap just as well. I had to do that a lot.

SimplyTadpole,
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Ahh I see, thanks for clarifying. It seems that where I live mostly only has the older Realtek chips for sale, so I likely mostly had bad luck.

I tried USB tethering, but it wouldn’t work for some reason… I don’t remember exactly what happened, but I think either the phone or my computer couldn’t detect each other.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

USB tethering should look on the PC just like plugging an Ethernet cable.

bertd2,

I do occasionally fall for just buying shtuff without a quick google search to see if my kernel would be cool with it, but I have an even greater number of stories about good experiences with Windows shtuff driving me bonkers.

For example, the Brother ADS-1200 under WIndows beats anything SANE supported scanners can do hands down. Scan to PDF with excellent compression and top of the line OCR. The spousal unit needed a scanner and I found a good deal on an ADS-2100. Under Linux, scan results are totally comparable to the ADS-1200, so the hardware is fine. But the Windows software for this scanner is crap. JPEG and TIFF are identical to the Linux scans, but OCR and PDF compression are atrocious. I’m 100% sure that if I were to edit a table in the ADS-1200 software, it would happily apply the same excellent results to the ADS-2100. But I’ve had it with hacking Windows goop, been there, done that, got the t-shirt, so onto Craig’s list the 2100 goes… Built in obsolescence, welcome to the Windows world.

With Linux, once the kernel accepts it, it’s smooth sailign without too many vendor introduced hickups.

And even on Windows, if you need to use third party scan software like VueScan because your scanner happens to be older than your Windows. it’ll work but it won’t outperform SANE supported scanners.

azvasKvklenko,

Situations like that aren’t very common these days. It usually happens when your hardware is very much new and drivers aren’t yet in the Linux kernel, or they are in the newest mainline, but your distro wont ship it for some more time. For that matter, it’s always bad when the kernel doesn’t have the drivers built in and it always requires dealing with DKMS or akmod whether it’s wifi, webcam, bluetooth or GPU (that’s why NVIDIA tends to be problematic on some systems).

That being said, the meme only works for anecdotal cases.

michaelmrose,

If it is not in the kernel and the manufacturer doesn’t provide one, don’t expect fun times.

This could be shorted to if your device has no driver it wont work which is obviously true.

If you have very recent hardware and you find it doesn’t work out of the box on stable options the easiest thing to do is install a more recent kernel. Even current Ubuntu non-LTS is 2-4 releases behind.

learnubuntu.com/install-mainline-kernel/ alternatively you can use a third party kernel repo which has a recent build with extras xanmod.org I’m using the second option.

It’s even easier in arch/void where the latest kernel is already available.

Respectfully if DKMS wasn’t automatically kicking in then you configured it incorrectly. It’s a lot easier to just rely on a package that sets this up for you properly. If for some reason this can’t be done the logical thing to do is script the process so that all operations are completed in the appropriate order that way you needn’t remember to do one then the other.

Aganim, (edited )

This could be shorted to if your device has no driver it wont work which is obviously true.

What I tried to tell is that if you have to rely on community driver projects, don’t expect fun times, at least not when it comes to Realtek in my recent experience.

If you have very recent hardware and you find it doesn’t work out of the box on stable options the easiest thing to do is install a more recent kernel.

I already had the latest available kernel at the time, as in: the very latest officially released kernel by kernel.org. Ubuntu was just a last-ditch effort as it will sometimes have drivers included that other distros might not have, normally I wouldn’t touch it with a ten-feet pole and go either Arch or Manjaro. The driver simply wasn’t included in the kernel. How do I know? Because I stumbled upon some discussions that mentioned the lack of support and 3 kernel releases later support for my card was specifically mentioned in the changelog.

Respectfully if DKMS wasn’t automatically kicking in then you configured it incorrectly. It’s a lot easier to just rely on a package that sets this up for you properly.

Yes, like a Realtek-XXXX-dkms package, which simply didn’t work. I’ve configured stuff for DKMS before, scripting stuff for Linux is part of my daily workload, so yeah, you don’t need to tell me scripting beats doing stuff manually.

The fact that getting an f*cking wifi card to work takes this much effort is what I meant with ā€˜not fun times’ and for me validates the meme, anecdotal as it might be.

Resorting to other distros, configuring additional repos so you can install a different kernel version, having to try different community projects to see which gives you a working driver, having to deal with getting DKMS to work, this is all stuff which hampers Linux adoptment. And without more adoptment we won’t have to expect more support from manufacturers for desktop related consumer hardware. So yeah, that does make me cry a bit. It’s a catch-22 unfortunately.

hperrin, in the main differences!!

GUIs are for the weak. Monitors are for the weak. My PC is connected to a keyboard and a printer. Hackerman

malockin,
@malockin@lemmy.world avatar

You use a keyboard and a peinter? weak! I throw magnets over the memory chips and use a multi-meter. /l334

HauntedCupcake,

Ughhh! Filthy casuals like you using the screen on a multimeter! I bet you don’t even staple the electrodes to your nipples! Probably use clamps instead šŸ™„

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

I just do the calculations in my head.

Pantherina,

I eat nuts and sleep in a cave

ikidd,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

I flick toggle switches and read the buffer LEDs.

Murdoc,
HiddenLayer5,
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

Enjoy your bloat, I directly put my finger on the CPU pins to feel the electrical signals.

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