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Buffalox, (edited ) in So sad when it happens

Personally 6570 days without windows, and counting.

doink,

I am close to that at home but use windows almost every day at work. Cry in shower time.

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

6461 days for me

mvirts, in Damn...

Time to post on lemmy

Samsy,

I was busy and it was in production. Backup was my friend.

jol,

I wonder. Lemmy is be definition much less future proof that r&ebbit. Information posted on Lemmy will not last long, as instances come and go. The price we pay for decentralisation and freedom.

lemmesay, in You have no power here
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

so, I had a pendrive that a friend borrowed once. later on another friend used it and said it had virus. I simply couldn’t know since I was on GNU/Linux.

though later on I cleaned it with dd.

valkyre09,

I work service desk. This right here is the reason I tell Mac users they need to keep the AV on.

JackGreenEarth, in stolen from floss@hispanilandia.net XMPP channel

Get your Apple product placement out of here!

hakunawazo, in Text editor war

We need to :q! this war for good.

Deuces,

Those who don’t write history to drive are destined to repeat it.

larsloveslegos, in what's your ubuntu?
@larsloveslegos@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve always enjoyed regular Ubuntu but Linux Mint is a favorite. I’d install that before anything else. I’ve used both on my school laptops with great success. I’d use Linux as the default if it wasn’t for gaming, which is why school laptops (laptops owned by me, used for school) are the perfect use case.

NightFantom,

These days gaming on linux is pretty good, lots of games run better than on windows. Typically the only thing that doesn’t work (on release, often afterwards it gets fine) is (shitty) DRM/anticheat like denuvo.

larsloveslegos,
@larsloveslegos@lemmy.world avatar

That’s what I’ve heard. Maybe I’ll give it another shot one day, I just lack the time.

mihnt,
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar

They are correct 100%. 99% of things work without issue or with minor fixes. (protondb.com for any issues you have.) I recently switched from Windows to Linux myself and ended up going with Mint.

larsloveslegos,
@larsloveslegos@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for the reassurance! I’ll definitely have to do some testing

mr_satan,
@mr_satan@monyet.cc avatar

I’ve been running ubuntu and then pop_os for a couple of years now and honestly, I’m surprized how much stuff just works out of the box.
There are times when I need to tinker with the OS to make one thing or another work properly, but proton DB is quite a good resource for that. And I like it so it’s not a big deal if I need to spend an hour messing around with the configurations.

larsloveslegos,
@larsloveslegos@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not as lucky when it comes to figuring out problems. I’ve had bad luck with pop_os, at least when I tried it a few years ago. I’m impressed with proton DB in how far it has come but I don’t have much experience with it.

janonymous,

+1 for Linux Mint

lemmesay,
@lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

do you use windows for your gaming machine?
i had to install it on a family laptop because of some apps that worked on windows only. I wanted to install a locked-down version of it and came across reviOS. it’s a stripped down version of windows with cruft removed. it was very very fast(almost comparable to my Debian machine). perhaps it’d be of interest to you if you’re into privacy. An alternative to that is winutil, which is basically a script to debloat windows.

larsloveslegos,
@larsloveslegos@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll have to look into those and experiment on VMs. Thanks for the info! I used to use Windows 10 LTSC and it worked great, but I wanted the Microsoft Store to experiment with ray tracing in Bedrock Edition of Minecraft as SEUS’s PTGI wasn’t free at the time. I use Windows 11, I’m familiar with debloating the OS since Windows 10 came out. Usually I use Spybot Anti-Beacon 1.6 and WinAero Tweaker. I then remove all the useless apps I can with a script :)

queue, in Linux mint = best beginner distro
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Linux Mint has a Debian edition available, I’m curious about that one.

kirk782,
@kirk782@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

It is a long term release based on Debian so that if Canonical goes down someday and Ubuntu falls, they will have a fallback base distro to remain on.

chicken, in Linux mint = best beginner distro

Still using Mint, see no reason to change

Brekky, in Linux mint = best beginner distro

What are snaps and telemetry?

OsrsNeedsF2P,

Snaps are a package format that handle dependencies differently. People don’t like them because of increased startup time.

Telemetry is when software sends analytics back to the parent company. Ubuntu does very basic telemetry, but people like to compare it to Windows

ichbinjasokreativ,

Ubuntu asks you if you’re fine with sending usage statistics to canonical and if you say ‘no’, the distro won’t send anything and never ask you again*

Dkiscoo,

I keep hearing people complain about snaps but I don’t know the good or bad about them

ILikeBoobies,

Good - Snaps are more advanced flat packs

Bad - Made by the company that makes Ubuntu

daniskarma,

Worse thing about snaps is that the server that provides them is propietary and owned by canonical.

Open source people tend not to like when things are not open source.

Other than that they are like flakpacks but blessed by canonical. Sometimes they are more curated or there’s more official releases on snaps that flakpacks.

Both are a way to deliver software without falling in dependency hell and kind of isolated and more secure(?).

Also is a way to wait 10-15 seconds to launch a simple app so there’s that.

dewritoninja,

The only snap I’ve had troubles with is vscode. Other tnsn that’s it’s been like using an apt app

savvywolf, in Come to the Linux side of the force
@savvywolf@pawb.social avatar

You can’t install MacOS on a PC, silly!

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar
TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

You could, but why would you want to?

Kushia, in Linux mint = best beginner distro
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

Best distro imo right now for desktop. Fedora a close second.

Others like Arch are great too but more for enthusiasts.

felbane,

How do we feel about Tumbleweed?

dan, (edited )
@dan@upvote.au avatar

What makes Fedora good?

I’ve been using Debian on servers for maybe 20 years now, so I’m very experienced with Debian on servers, but I’ve never really used the Fedora/RedHat/CentOS side of things.

The last time I used a Linux desktop was Ubuntu back in 2006 or so, back when it was still a new up-and-coming distro and they’d send you a free CD (very useful since I was using dialup at the time).

I’m thinking about which distros I should try since I want to switch from Windows. I’ve heard Mint and Pop OS are good? I might try Debian too. I used to love tweaking the OS back in my teenage years, but now I’m in my 30s and don’t have time to fix random breakages… I just want something stable that works well. (that’s why I was considering Debian)

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

Fedora is moving a bit faster than Debian(but it’s pretty unstable), the main selling point is in my opinion dnf/rpm, but on a server a rhel clone would be a better choice. Pop OS and especially Mint are great distros, Debian is great but very outdated, I would try them live and then decide

Sanyanov,

Debian remains the king of “something stable that works well”. And with release of Debian 12 that brought a lot of quality-of-life improvements, easier non-free package managing etc, many users go for it on their desktops. So I suggest you do too.

Kushia, (edited )
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

Fedora tends to include a lot of the latest tech in a stable working configuration, stuff like Wayland and GNOME in the past and more. I like that I can get that while still enjoying a nice curated set of package repositories and without relying on something like the AUR for most packages. I’m happy to let others do the testing on the absolute bleeding edge and take the risks while I get to enjoy the fruits of that with a lot less pain with Fedora.

dan,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Thanks for the info!

bitwolf,

Fedora runs at a twice annual release model and includes kernel and firmware updates within those releases whereas Ubuntu matches a kernel with a release.

Their packages, to me, feel much higher quality in terms of reliability and reaction time to reported bugs. They also test and guarantee updates for packages in their repos. I ran my college laptop through 15 system upgrades without any issues, nothing has been that reliable for me.

I enjoyed using Ubuntu for several years and hadn’t considered Fedora until they were the first to default to Wayland (f21) and never switched again.

You can do anything on any distro, so you end up just shopping for your fav package manager and default repo and staying there. I encourage you to play with all of them with a separated /home partition or so it’s easy to shop.

dan,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Thanks for the details!

I ran my college laptop through 15 system upgrades without any issues, nothing has been that reliable for me.

I’ve got a VPS running Debian Bookworm (12.0, latest version at the moment) that I haven’t reformatted since Etch (4.0, 2007). I’ve just done an in-place upgrade every time a new version is out.

That’s not a GUI setup though, so probably more stable when updating…

azerial, (edited )

I use Fedora Plasma. It’s a spin on KDE. I really like it. Fedora is what i learned Linux on originally and it’s nice to go back.

edit: rm useless comment part.

Sanyanov,

Manjaro KDE (default) makes Arch a wonderful starting point. Beautiful (gold standard of KDE implementation), truly blazing fast (thanks, Arch), incredibly Windows-like, and unlike Arch itself, completely plug-and-play.

Their update withholding schedule, while causing anger among some Arch enthusiasts, is what makes the system super stable and completely effortless to maintain, while remaining close to the bleeding edge.

The only thing newbies should be taught is that AUR should be used with caution due to potential (rare) dependency version conflicts; luckily, Manjaro repos have just about everything you can think of and AUR is almost entirely unnecessary.

Kushia, (edited )
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

Newbies should be taught to review what they install beforehand on the AUR which almost anyone can contribute to with minimal barriers. Most users treat it like any other package repository but its not the same thing and it’s definitely more risky then a curated repository.

Sanyanov,

Sure! I just don’t expect people who just came from Windows/MacOS to get into that. I’m talking “just works” here. Later on, they’ll be able to develop that understanding too, but to each its time.

Elliott, in Text editor war

Did I mention I use Arch?

milicent_bystandr,

$ pacman install $LINE_15

icedterminal,

error: no operation specified. (use -h for help)

milicent_bystandr,
  • goes on web angrily muttering… Finds Arch Forum or Stack Overflow or whatever who cares… *

“Where’s the GUI for pacman? What kind of a useless distro doesn’t have a graphical package manager?! You’re all failures and akshually I use Ubuntu”

lseif,

pacman install?

milicent_bystandr,

It’s been a long time…

lseif,

since i last have seen my son lost to this monster

AlexSup21,

the man behind the slaughter

Agent641, in The successor should be called Plan 69 from Bell Labs

I installed plan 9 successfully about 15 years ago. And then I did not know what to do.

Eldritch,

There was at one time a group pushing to make a more active up to date. User friendly plan 9. Distro if I remember correctly called Harvey OS. They may still be at it. But such a small group means that it’s going to take a long time combined with a lot of effort. And at this point so many things have moved on and become rather linux specific even. That the task only keeps getting more and more difficult.

Honestly, in the interim, many of plan 9’s better features were adopted in some small part or completely by other operating systems. Definitely not quite as elegantly.

What I really want to know is why is nobody here talking about inferno. It’s what came after plan 9.

acockworkorange,

Sounds like my experience with QNX 6. It was fun for a while, especially with the microkernel novelty. I could kill the mouse driver and bring it back to life. It was interesting to have that on a 486 with memory corruption issues.

NateNate60, in Debian being insanely stable

Well, Debian Sid is rolling-release if that’s your liking

haych, in Linux mint = best beginner distro

Let me raise you: Pop!_OS

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

Maybe they changed it, but when I tried it they didn’t setup a boot loader by default

PeWu,

During install that fucked me up. I found out I only could boot pop os only when booting win 10 bootloader. After bricking distro, moved on to mint.

histic, (edited )

they definitely have every time I’ve installed it you may have just hit install to partition instead of erase drive or something by accident

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