I have been actively using GNOME for about a year now, honestly, it is the best one out of all of the desktop enviorments availible right now. I’m also pretty sure GNOME just got $1M+ to continue working on it. I don’t mind the look, it is very simple.
I wish people wouldn’t downvote comments like this. The downvote button isn’t an “I disagree with you” button and downvoting people just because you disagree with their opinion is silly.
Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms, so it’s really only Unix-like in name. Sure you can launch a bash or zsh shell, but there aren’t a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew, so the experience isn’t all that different from having to install Cygwin or WSL in Windows.
I mean that you can’t really do much with those userland tools to effectively manage and configure your system. All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e. /Library/Preferences) that’s as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you’re not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.
MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.
So yeah while MacOS technically still is “Unix”, it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.
Well, you haven’t been very specific with your language.
All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e. /Library/Preferences) that’s as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you’re not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.
It’s been some time since I touched MacOS, but there is a CLI tool for editing those preferences. Not unlike gconf. Actually gconf is apparently inspired by that and the Windows registry you so conveniently mentioned.
Not that I’m a fan, quite the opposite.
MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.
“Unix principles” is the same as “Unix philosophy”, while you apparently mean Linux FHS. Yes, it’s understandably ignored. Yes, maybe it shouldn’t be.
So yeah while MacOS technically still is “Unix”, it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.
Well, see, comparing FreeBSD to Linux with its development path, for example, you might feel as if Linux was slowly moving in that direction as well. Linux users usually laugh at that sentiment and say that it’s evolution. So - MacOS too has what its developers considered evolution from what Linux/FreeBSD/… have.
Ah, also X11 is not that integral and traditional for Unix, if you imply that as well. Sun had its SunView in the olden days. There were other windowing systems.
It would appear then that no MacOS before 14.0 Sonoma is a certified Unix. Which is obviously false. Which means that your implication that this page lists everything certified is wrong.
I said “releases”, because these were specific versions a few years ago. Perhaps nothing relevant today was certified, still what I remember is not that different from the mundane Red Hat of the same year.
Which is all useless talk cause when we say Unix as something important, we mean “genetic Unix”, as in something of being derived from the same code base, culture, philosophy, etc, not “legal Unix” as a trademark, because that’s not the only cool-looking word one can imagine to name an OS.
So obviously BSDs are real Unix then, Linux is something weird and MacOS is bullshit.
Surprised about the comments. Mac OS is actually certified Unix whereas Linux distros, while wonderful, aren’t. I’ve never had to use windows for anything other than games in the 90’s so I can’t speak to it now. I’ve used Irix, then Linux, and now Mac professionally. I find Mac to be meh after Mojave. Perhaps BSD was the answer all along.
If you’re compiling something huge like Chrome, having a separate compilation stage for the build files makes sense. For a normal sized project it’s overkill.
Ughhh! Filthy casuals like you using the screen on a multimeter! I bet you don’t even staple the electrodes to your nipples! Probably use clamps instead 🙄
Is the gnome we are talking about that one that for reaching the taskbar you have to move the mouse to the top of the screen and then immediately to the bottom every time?
I genuinely don’t know the last time I used the activities button, or the taskbar. To open activity view, I press super. To open programs, I search. To switch programs, I click on them in activity view
Yes, the one with great score when it comes to Fitt’s law which plays a huge role in UI design. When you put it that way it seems stupid to go from one edge to the other to reach an option. In reality it’s an easiest target to hit since it’s huge and requires no precision, edge to edge scroll.
For me as well, as I keep very low sensitivity. Am not even sure they imagined it being used like that most of the times. Am suspecting idea is to use Super key to open window preview and options are access from there. In that case it’s on average half of screen away.
But idea is there. Pretty much all OS designers implement this law in some way. Mac does it with their task bar and application menu. KDE, Windows and similar do it with theirs. However I understand your complaint that you’d have to scroll to the top then bottom, but doing so is easy.
If you aren’t using the super key to access that menu you are using gnome wrong imo. Three finger swipe on track pad is also a great way to access the same menu.
KDE is fuckin fantastic, but it aims to replicate the windows ui and workflow. If that’s what you want then I highly recommend it over gnome. But personally I don’t think that desktop UX should be stuck in the early 2000s Redmond style. Once I changed my habits to use my windows button on the keyboard instead of moving my mouse all over hell to access the menu it’s all I ever use. Mouse is just a fallback when the other hand is busy. I try every new KDE version because I kind of hate how the gnome devs act sometimes, but I can’t get used to that workflow anymore.
Agree to disagree I guess. I’ve tried changing the workflow in KDE to even resemble gnome and it just feels like you have to have a start menu with a taskbar. Sure, you could put that taskbar anywhere but it still operates the same as a windows 98 taskbar.
Maybe I’m just not used to the KDE way of doing things but next year will be my 20th anniversary of using Linux. I’ve tried every desktop environment and window manager. All of them.
I respect the KDE project but KDE makes me feel like I’m using a windows gui on top of Linux.
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