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Abnorc, in the main differences!!

I dunno, the people in the top left look pretty happy.

drcabbage, (edited )

They do, and judging by their environment, pretty wealthy as well. Plus a happy family. As opposed to being unhinged enough to give finger guns to a laptop or be bombarded with “tech stuff”. Great ad for gnome :)

(I’m just joking around. KDE is great too.)

laurelraven, in the main differences!!

Eh, my main reason for going KDE is every time I try Gnome, it feels like “what do I do now” and “where is the program I opened”

I know that would get better with time spent using it, but then again, KDE feels like I can make it do what I want a lot easier

And none of the other DEs look as nice and polished, which, I know, that’s not the important part … But dammit, I’m gonna be spending a lot of time staring at it, I’d like it to look good to me at least

WaxedWookie, (edited )

The last time I was meaningfully using Linux was around the time of Ubuntu 8.04 - my experience was the opposite of this.

When I have the time, I’ll be dipping back in on Zorin (which I think defaults to modded KDE) - I’ve spun up VM, and it seems like it’s worth a shot… I just need to confirm it’ll play the small handful of games I play, find a slicer app, and pull the trigger. Damn near everything else is Web-based or self-hosted.

laurelraven,

Yeah, Gnome is VERY different than in 2008

psud,

Gnome is better on that now, but I have been using gnome since back when KDE was using non-free libraries to be prettier

Gnome probably isn’t the best free desktop anymore, but I guess I’m used to it

laurelraven,

There’s a lot to be said for familiarity and its impact on productivity… Which is why I hate when UI layouts change for no apparent reason other than to be different.

psud,

It’s also good to try and work the way the system is designed for — or maybe to share a way of working with the design leads

Gnome likes you to have several things open, spread across the different desktops, and you really want to know the shortcuts for jumping between stuff

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

That’s why I stopped using Gnome. I loved Gnome 2.x, but then they went all screwey with Gnome 3 so I switched to Cinnamon.

ILikeBoobies, in the main differences!!

I’m a Guh nome

owenfromcanada, in the main differences!!
@owenfromcanada@lemmy.world avatar

What does this make Cinnamon users?

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

cozy reindeers.

MacNCheezus, (edited ) in the main differences!!
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

People who use Windows even though everybody hates it

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/224041a1-feae-43a9-98c5-dbd1cc289b1a.jpeg

01adrianrdgz,
@01adrianrdgz@lemmy.world avatar

people who use macOS and FreeBSD!!

MacNCheezus, (edited )
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

Technically, MacOS is a BSD

MartinXYZ,

So is PlayStation’s OS.

Zerush,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar
ShitOnABrick,
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

I use windows and Linux btw

Aux,

Linux is just an app for Windows. Always has been.

SeeMinusMinus, in It's OK if you cry
@SeeMinusMinus@lemmy.world avatar

Just wait for the nvidia drivers lol

KISSmyOS,

I haven’t had any recent issue with those either. Just make sure both the nvidia driver and the kernel are from your distros repository, and you always update them both at the same time.

SeeMinusMinus,
@SeeMinusMinus@lemmy.world avatar

My new laptop has a nvidia card in it. One time it stopped working after a update so I downgraded the drivers so I can wait entail the next update they do work. Besides that it have worked great. I am on fedora so rpmfusion is where the drivers are from.

mlg, in the main differences!!
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

1.8 gb minimum RAM usage on default KDE vs 1.6 GB RAM Usage on Compiz with all the fancy effects enabled like the see through 3D cube.

olutukko,

Mine took way less than 1,8gb. Nowadays I just use wm though. 500mb idle usage is neat

AVincentInSpace, (edited ) in It's OK if you cry

Those have gotten a lot better in recent years. Last time I had an issue with WiFi drivers was in 2016.

Graphics drivers, on the other hand, especially Optimus…

9point6,

Some of us are still recovering from the trauma

state_electrician,

I sometimes still think about the time I was trying to print in 1996.

rostby,

Iwlwifi firmware-a0-gf has not been detected… 😔

remotelove, (edited )
@remotelove@lemmy.ca avatar

I never have. Just thinking about WiFi and Bluetooth drivers on random laptops still puts me into a full flashback state. (My first experience was back in 2002, I think?)

However, getting all of that stuff working was the best learning experience I ever had. At the time, I was just learning about IT security and WiFi pcap was all the rage back then.

0x4E4F,

I never have. Just thinking about WiFi and Bluetooth drivers on random laptops still puts me into a full flashback state. (My first experience was back in 2002, I think?)

https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/9c44f85c-31dc-4ce4-8696-ffbb3b7b82d3.webm

quantumantics,

Same, flashbacks to being in college trying to get Wi-Fi working in Fedora on my laptop and then struggling to get it to work with my uni’s new Wi-Fi system. Frustrating, but a great learning experience as you said.

Vqhm,

Even a decade ago it usually meant ticking a box that you also allowed nonfree drivers.

Even Debian allowed you to download the specific nonfree driver you needed and add it (without Internet) at imaging so post install you could connect with wifi and not just Ethernet.

It’s come a long way. But doesn’t anyone else remember when windows did not have drivers and you’d constantly be confronted with “have disk”?

I mean, the amount of drivers for old hardware I still have saved… Because before win10 nothing would reliability always fetch the driver you need from the net…

bjorney,

Ticking the non-free driver box was child’s play. As late as like 2012 I remember needing to download NDISwrapper so I could make the windows drivers work through a compatibility layer

KISSmyOS,

Oh god, why did you have to trigger that memory???

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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I mean, if you buy broadcom you reap what you sow. And 2012 was 11 years ago. ;-)

bjorney,

When I bought my laptop i was using windows and didn’t research Linux compatibility :(

And yup. A decade ago was when Linux turned a corner on the wifi driver front, 11 years ago was hell

be_excellent_to_each_other,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

When I bought my laptop i was using windows and didn’t research Linux compatibility :(

I apologize for my general grumpiness this morning. Totally reasonable. :-)

And yup. A decade ago was when Linux turned a corner on the wifi driver front, 11 years ago was hell

I lol'd. :-)

Cenzorrll,

I recall jaunty jackalope being the Ubuntu version that became my full time os. It was that version that my IBM x31 had everything taken care of on install with the third party drivers checked. I feel like the LTS version following that was where you could buy a generation previous of any hardware and it’d work without much fuss.

DannyBoy,

This reminds me of the big USB drive of drivers that we had at a PC repair shop. When Windows 7 failed to find drivers, we’d stick that in and give it a scan.

AtariDump,

I remember that, but for Xp. Downloading a “driver pack”, pointing windows at the root of the folder, and praying.

SorryQuick,

The nvidia driver has had this bug for a year now, still unfixed. Games will randomly crash with an Xid 109 error in dmesg. Some people (including myself) are unable to play games like Cyberpunk, Resident Evil 2-3-4-7-8 and Metro Exodus. And it’s not linked to proton either, it sometimes also crashes xorg itself, forcing a reboot. I’m starting to think nvidia will never bother fixing it.

LemmysMum,

3% desktop marketshare, it’s stop to pick up money, not go out of your way money.

KSPAtlas,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

I just had to deal with nvidia breaking xwayland and making it unusable with an update

ryannathans, in It's OK if you cry

If you think that’s bad, try wifi on FreeBSD

KISSmyOS,

I’ve read that the only way to get usable speeds is to set your wifi device up inside a linux container.

MigratingtoLemmy,

set your wifi device up inside a linux container

Could you tell me how I could do that? I don’t think FreeBSD jails support anything other than the linux compatibility layer

KISSmyOS, (edited )
MigratingtoLemmy,

At least I found someone who likes Yorushika!

Cut her some slack, she’s barely 21. At 21 I was a nugget of dung when it came to technicalities like this

ryannathans, (edited )

Or to get anything past wifi 4, or to use 5ghz

It’s bullshit because there are many products on the market running freebsd with great wifi (PlayStation as one example)

0x4E4F,

Just goes to show you that permissive licenses are generally not a good thing 🤷.

ryannathans,

Meh, I still generally prefer them. Not like everyone would be able to use the PlayStation wifi hardware anyway

0x4E4F,

Each to his own ☺️ 🤷.

possiblylinux127,

Wait, what’s past 5Ghz

seaQueue, in It's OK if you cry
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Jesus Christ OP use trigger warnings

CowsLookLikeMaps,

Broadcom
shudders

seaQueue,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Broadcom looks good next to Realtek, and both of them stand head and shoulders above Mediatek.

0x4E4F,

🤣🤣🤣

possiblylinux127,

WiFi be like that

KISSmyOS, in It's OK if you cry

You should switch to rolling release memes, yours are outdated.

cyanarchy,

Have some respect for the classics

Moobythegoldensock, (edited )

Please get this bad boy working well on rolling release, then:

gitlab.com/TuxThePenguin0/bes2600

KISSmyOS, (edited )

This isn’t a Linux compatibility issue. You bought a device where the manufacturer told you in advance that a driver for the built-in wifi module doesn’t exist yet. It’s a product at the development stage.

So just follow the manufacturer’s recommendation from the product page: use a wifi dongle for now and pat yourself on the back for being an early adopter.

Moobythegoldensock, (edited )

Having the device, I already tether the wifi. But it is indeed a compatibility issue: the old kernel drivers for the chip were janky and it’s doubtful how well they even worked the time. The code is apparently such a hot mess that the people who were working on it have stopped making progress. There is now skepticism that it will ever be fully functional.

0x4E4F,

Yeah, you’re too young to remember the glory days 😂.

KISSmyOS,

I’m old enough but it’s not the case anymore.

maiskanzler, in It's OK if you cry

Gotta love notebooks and their weird and rarely wonderful Wifi-Chips attached via SDIO. Even the intel cards can have problems!

kautau,

Now we’re in the realm of weird sound drivers from integrated chipsets. Thankfully sof-firmware exists

ilovesatan, in It's OK if you cry
@ilovesatan@lemmy.world avatar

Am I the only person who doesn’t have WiFi problems?

be_excellent_to_each_other,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

I don't think I have for more than a decade and I'm kinda amazed at how many upvotes this meme got.

Montagge,
@Montagge@kbin.social avatar

The one I had was completely minor. The wifi on my NUC doesn't work if you use the proprietary driver but it does work with whatever the kernel for Mint 21.2 has in it.

seaQueue,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not so bad if you’re running a major distro kernel and they do some prerelease testing before cutting new kernel packages. But if you’re using the latest release from the kernel.org stable tree WiFi driver regressions happen somewhat regularly.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
@be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

Ah, a very common use case.

folkrav,

Why tho

chaogomu,

10-15 years ago, it was a problem dire enough to drive me back to windows until about the start of the pando, and I've not even thought about Wi-Fi drivers since coming back to Linux.

I did have issues with a cheap USB Wi-Fi dongle thing a few years back, but that was likely the fault of the dongle more than anything else, I know because it didn't really work under widows either.

carpelbridgesyndrome, (edited ) in the main differences!!

Something about making their own version of every app and than naming it k-something makes me think it’s a cult.

radix,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

Excuse me, it’s called a kult.

ikidd,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, I wouldn’t get on my high horse about that, Gnome apps used to be G- or Gnome-something for a long, long time.

Now they’re just some stock generic name that assumes “why would anyone ever use any other program for music except Music, or videos except Videos?”. Pretty much like Apple.

C_raven, (edited )

Worse than that, if you’re looking for the program in the terminal like when you install the thing it’s still called the old name, like:

Files > nautilus
Disk usage analyzer > baobab

They used to have character. The k- naming scheme is just a hint that isn’t a qt app really.

embed_me,
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Archive Manager > fileroller

Murdoc,

Oh no, they know about the Kult! Burn the kompound!

bingbong,

The Kool Kids Klub will never fall!

dan, (edited )
@dan@upvote.au avatar

We wouldn’t have Safari (Webkit) or Chrome (Blink) today if it weren’t for Konqueror and KHTML! Webkit is a fork of KHTML, and Blink is a fork of Webkit.

Holzkohlen,

What in the world are you on about? Kandalf be praised

possiblylinux127, (edited ) in It's OK if you cry

The good news: Broadcom got out of the labtop industry

Bad news: Broadcom is in the phone industry

0x4E4F,

Really? They don’t do Wi-Fi and BT chips any more?

possiblylinux127,

I think they still do some but its rare to find a Broadcom device

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