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evilenx, in the main differences!!

i use dwm btw, gnome and KDE is bloat

snake,

Connoisseur!

notepass,

I only use the terminal. GUI is bloat.

YoorWeb,

Coding in vim is the way to go.

mavu, in the main differences!!

surprisingly accurate.

ShitOnABrick, (edited ) in the main differences!!
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

I use xfce nice clean simple and not overly complicated everytime I try a new desktop manager I find myself going back to xfce as they say keep it simple and cozy

WindowsEnjoyer,

How is XFCE nowadays? I am on KDE for the past ~3 years and been long-term XFCE user.

IMO biggest KDE advantage over XFCE is that everything literally works out of the box - audio, bluetooth, shortcuts (i hate setting up script yo turn on/off mousepad.

I am using X instead of Wayland anyway.

Anything changed in XFCE over several years?

jomoo99,

Anecdote alert: XFCE recently worked out of box on my 2014 hp Pavilion

CowsLookLikeMaps, (edited ) in It's OK if you cry

If you want some irony, on a recent Ubuntu install I was able to access WiFi out of the box but the small windoze dual boot partition refused to connect to a WiFi 6 router. Tried upgrading driver, downgrading drivers, nothing… The computer came shipped with windows 10.

Norgur, in It's OK if you cry

The very evening I installed Linux for the first time (I think it was Ubuntu 12.04), my Wifi stick was the first major hurdle. I was a teenager, had no idea about package managers and such, but the drivers for my stick were only available in an uncompiled format, so I had to first learn what build utils and kernel dev packages were, download them and their dependencies onto the windows PC of my dad and copy them onto a CD.

After I had figured all that out (took me.a while), I learned how to compile on the fly.

After I had run ./configure and it finallyfinally ran through without error, the config script had this last line:

Configure done successfully. Now type 'make' and pray

Things have changed over the years, but they haven't changed enough.

NaoPb, (edited )

Whenever I come across something I’d have to build myself, I just give up. No matter the instruction, there is always something wrong.

0x4E4F, (edited )

That is true on any LTS distro. Try rolling release, works without a glitch almost every time… well, at least on Void it does.

Norgur,

I read the previous comment and thought to myself "I bet there is some reply about LTS vs rolling release to this". I KNEW IT!

0x4E4F, (edited )

Yep, been in the same boat 😂. Was an LTS fan for a long long time till I realized… this shit ain’t worth it 😂.

Everthing there is out there in 99% of the cases compiles against latest libraries. And well, LTS is just… lagging behind 🤷. So, you solve one lib dependcy and then, bam, another one pops up… OK, solved that one, bam, another one 😒… it just gets frustrating to compile stuff on LTS.

And then you get all sorts of errors from the package manager cuz you did the unthinkable - install latest libs on an LTS distro.

LTS is good for one thing only nowadays - servers.

NaoPb,

Interesting. I did not know about that. I’ll be sure to give rolling a try then.

Norgur,

Compiling starts to work rather well once you've done it a few times. Especially when you get more used to understanding what ./configure tries to tell you. You should really try to get behind that, since you Linux will

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=E9Ftjm4FfMg6F2IU

NaoPb,

Allright. You’ve convinced me not to give up.

And that Rick Roll song perfectly sums up how I personally think of Linux. I will not be giving it up. And I will not be saying goodbye.

0x4E4F,

This has to be the best script message I’ve ever seen 😂.

Norgur,

Netgear WiFi USB drivers. Weren't good for much, but this one message was true as fuck!

FartsWithAnAccent, in It's OK if you cry
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Remember ndiswrapper?

0x4E4F,

Don’t remind me 😔…

Ooops,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

No, that buried deep in the box with suppressed memories. So thank you for reminding me.

umbrella, in It's OK if you cry
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

wifi drivers are fine nowadays

still have issues with some webcams tho

uis, in It's OK if you cry
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair most wifi device manufacturers are bastards and don’t publicise manuals.

khannie,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

Fucking fuck realtek

merc, in the main differences!!

KDE gives you bad hair?

Urist, (edited ) in It's OK if you cry
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

LPT: Swapping Wifi modules is (sometimes at least) stupidly easy to do. I had a shitty

Trigger WarningRealtek wifi card

and bought an Intel card to replace it for about 30 bucks. Begone random disconnects and packet drops. Note that this was on a laptop and it was still just an issue of removing a few screws and swapping modules.

0x4E4F,

LPT - Line Print Terminal? 🤨

sapient_cogbag,
@sapient_cogbag@sh.itjust.works avatar

Life Pro Tip

NaoPb, in It's OK if you cry

I still have issues with certain ASUS cards that simply crash the whole system when it gets too high a load or something. I’ve never been able to find a solution for it and I fear I never will.

0x4E4F,

Chipset?

NaoPb,

I just had a look. It’s the Asus PCE-N10. From what I can find they have the Realtek RTL8188CE chipset.

0x4E4F, (edited )

Yeah, Realtek WiFi cards are known to be problematic in Linux. Lan as well, but not to that extent.

Just swap the card with another one, no need to pull hair over it, it will most probably never work like it should.

NaoPb,

I’ve started using usb wifi adapters so I can easily swap them out if they don’t work. Looks less neat to me but it is what it is.

0x4E4F,

They have a very very limited range. I have used them, but only if the AP is in the same room, otherwise, they crap out.

PS: Everything’s built from reinforced concrete and cinderblocks/bricks around here (seismically active region), so we have trouble with all sorts of wireless signals, including WiFi and 3/4G. 5G is out of the question here. We do have the towers, but less than 1% of users actually use them.

mlg, in It's OK if you cry
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

akmod and dkms to the rescue so you can watch as your kernel fights with the hardware in real time

0x4E4F,

I just do lspci and install the adequate firmware 😂.

Synthead, in It's OK if you cry

Every wireless adapter I’ve used in Linux for the last 10 years has worked flawlessly.

bjorney,

10 years ago was the turning point. I remember as late as 2010 -2012 having to use NDISwrapper to install the windows XP wifi drivers because there were no native drivers so you had to run the windows drivers through an emulation layer to get wifi to work. Even within the past 5 years I’ve had to compile my own fixes for realtek chips because the auto installed drivers were not working optimally

0x4E4F,

Yes, if it’s on 5 to 10 year old hardware.

Synthead,

I haven’t had any issues with new hardware, either.

TheMissingBit, in It's OK if you cry

Lots of people saying this is an old problem , but I have a new IdeaPad I bought a few months ago and any non-rolling release distro I find, the wifi hardware isn’t detected.

Until just a few weeks ago I couldn’t find any solution. Fortunately I finally found a way to build the drivers, but it still requires me to tether my phone to get internet long enough to download the source.

So the problem might be better but it’s not the non-issue some people are pretending it is.

umbrella, (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

generally speaking brand new hardware wont usually have proper support unless you are using newer versions of the kernel, thats not really limited to just wifi

0x4E4F,

Why not use LAN instead?

fallingcats,

Swap the module for an Intel one.

kala_telo, in It's OK if you cry
@kala_telo@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I think it very depends on your hardware. I, personally, never had problems with it, on thinkpad which I use right now WiFi drivers were out of box even in Gentoo minimal ISO(It uses iwlwifi). But, every hardware that I have is about 10yo. And I think I haven’t any non-intel WiFi-cards.

But also one of my friends had to compile drivers for his card manually from github, and second friend had issues with his WiFi constantly disconnecting which we couldn’t solve.

kala_telo,
@kala_telo@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

And also I never had nvidia chips, I have one very old from AMD, and other computers use just intel integrated graphic.

0x4E4F,

Yeah, I use whatever integrated I can get 😂. Don’t game, 2 monitors is more than enough for me, so 🤷 😂.

0x4E4F,

That might also be a general network drivers vs. kernel version problem as well. I’ve had that on some Ubuntu falvors on various cards, it isn’t specific to just wi-fi, it happened on lan as well (just disconnects for a few ms and then connects again).

And yeah, one of the many reasons why I usually buy second hand hardware as well. One, it’s a lot cheaper, two, drivers for Linux are usually not a problem 😁.

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