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SquishyPandaDev, in Hot take
@SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net avatar

Too a certain point. I’ll give you that this applies to the Debian and Ubuntu distro. Gentoo, on the other hand, is a completely different animal and will have a far greater impact on user experience than the DE.

eldain,

You look at your DE all day and your distro holds everything together. Op didn’t say distro is unimportant and I agree it makes sense for new users to look at images and videos of different desktops first, maybe try a live cd, and then choosing the backend that suits their willingness to interact with.

If your electricity and time are cheap, you want to learn and your pc-system is your playground not a productivity tool, Gentoo is a valid option. In this case, your choice of DE impacts your compile time massively and knowing alternatives beforehand gives you options.

jayemar, in Hot take

I don’t disagree, but it’s so much easier to change environment: just logout and login with the new environment.

Trail,

Well if you really want it, you don’t even need to logout, but that is not the point…

CaptainBasculin, (edited ) in Hot take

on a related note, help I’m too used to my i3wm config and now I cant switch to wayland at all, what do I do when xorg gets fully depreciated

NotSteve_,

I’ve heard sway is a drop in replacement of i3 for wayland. Only going off what I’ve heard though since I haven’t tried it myself

rescue_toaster,

Sway is basically the wayland version of i3. I’ve switched to wayland on my new laptop and learning sway after using i3 for years has been relatively easy.

z3rOR0ne, (edited )
@z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, the config syntax is exactly the same. The major difference is the wayland version of various programs can be hard to figure out with out some decent google-fu.

I’m on BSPWM on X11, but have been trying river wm and that is a much less friendly conversion than i3 to sway. I’d convert entirely were it not for certain applications still not quite working on wayland without considerable configuration (wacom tablet drivers don’t work, screenshottung and eyedropper tools are available but still need more work to be feature comparable with equivalent tools on X11).

And I’m using proprietary NVIDIA drivers which are currently stuttering real bad on the wlroots protocol since driver update to 545 (sway/river both stutter bad whenever lots of movement on the screen, I’ve tried many tweaks to my environment variables to no avail).

So…just gonna wait for app, wayland, nvidia devs to eventually make the migrate worth while.

darganon,

Wayland being so Nvidia hostile while Nvidia is the only name for AI is kind of a kick in the balls

Shameless, in Hot take

I’m still not fully across Linux because my job requires me to use Windows everyday. That said I’ve been using Pop_OS! On my personal machine for over two years now and its been flawless, requires little upkeep and minimal use of the terminal, the times I’ve needed to install stuff using the terminal has also been flawless which gives me extra confidence.

Whatever gives the least complicated experience and just works with little extra work is what will win out in the end for the day to day user. People generally just want to get on their machine, use the programs they want and not be interrupted by anything else from the computer, barring updates, we have all come to understand the importance of updates as routine maintenance.

ryannathans,

I RDP to a windows machine to work, from Pop_OS!. It’s nice because all the little stuff like web browsing can be done in my linux environment

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

ask your manager to allow you to use linux

Rustmilian, (edited ) in Hot take
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Meh, I feel that the only important choice is the type of distro; source, rolling, stable, immutable, reproducible, etc. as that’d impact difficulty to some degree.
Beyond that, it’s not a big deal. Newbies will just pick the DE their most comfortable with. The popular DEs don’t really have difficulties, just differences.

Shirasho, in Hot take

Not a hot take at all. Asking someone to go from a GUI heavy operating system to a command line heavy one and be just as productive is lunacy. Like all major changes it is important to ween off the old thing.

My biggest hurdle with the switch has been permission related issues, and you can’t deal with those cleanly with a UI, and every help thread under the sun throws out a bunch of command line commands giving a solution without explaining why those changes are needed. It may seem like Unix 101 to experienced Linux users, but it is really cryptic to newcomers coming from operating systems that are…cough more lenient with their permissions.

There is also a mentality that UIs are much more idiot proof than command line. UIs are written by people who actually know the OS so we can’t accidentally delete our home folder because of a typo. It is a very legitimate concern.

fine_sandy_bottom,

Not really, the vaaaast majority of PC users don’t need the linux commandline.

Jumuta, in Hot take

i love K⭐D⭐E

ipha,

KDE FTW!

kittenzrulz123,

Arguably you can’t beat Debian + KDE

pineapplelover,

Aktually, I prefer Arch + KDE. I say if you like your current desktop, then stay with it. I’ve hit the sweet spot with what I’ve got because I love the AUR, pacman, and paru.

lamabop,

Arch btw

kittenzrulz123,

I’ve used Arch before and I still keep an Arch distrobox container but my current usage requires stability.

seth, (edited )

What’s more stable than blindly typing

$ sudo pacman -Syu

? /s

miningforrocks,

Tbh i do this for over half a year now and only had 2 issues were I had to reinstall the kernel after an update via a chroot

kittenzrulz123,

Maybe installing system packages through the AUR was a mistake but it’s so tempting

miningforrocks,

Most of the software that I use is in the extra repo. In may other repositories there is for ex. no spotifyd or native prismmc client

bdonvr,

OpenSUSE + KDE

Redjard,
@Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I feel you. I don’t agree but I feel you.
And I have installed hundreds of opensuse systems, many for new linux users.

But that was my choice as the sysadmin (well really one of my predecessors some decades ago). It isn’t as amazing for self-administering newbies.

kittenzrulz123,

Another very good option

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

i read that like it was in the history of the world video

stratosfear,

Just became a first time user (~48 hours ago) of KDE on Sparky distro and I’m pretty impressed.

PanArab, in every time i can't remember how to use a command

Just don’t use ChatGPT or Bing AI

GregorTacTac,
@GregorTacTac@lemm.ee avatar

I will use Google Bard then

anarchy79, in every time i can't remember how to use a command
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

This made me laugh out loud for real.

Chickenstalker, in every time i can't remember how to use a command

Man horse beach? Man steed sea? Man pony sand? What?

Jaeger,

Man horse shore?

snek, (edited )
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

man is a command in linux to bring up the manuals/docs

geeksforgeeks.org/man-command-in-linux-with-examp…

If you’re on a linux distro, you could type:

man ls which would fetch you the manual for ls, which lists files and dirs for you. However, I think it’s more common for users to use ls --help instead, which would show the same manual information.

(sorry if you already knew this, but it looked almost like you were asking what this means and then a bunch of linux users just joked around without explaining anything XD)

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

You are a good and kind person.

Here, have this country song: Merle Haggard - Are the Good Times Really Over (I Wish a Buck Was Still Silver)

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

You can lead a horse to water…

milicent_bystandr,

But you can’t make it RTFM?

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Neigh.

spizzat2,

You didn’t see the battery staple?

milicent_bystandr,

That’s correct

mariusafa, in every time i can't remember how to use a command

Without man i’m nothing

milicent_bystandr,

That’s what she said!

hides from angry feminists

anarchy79,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Who are any of us but men?

jaybone, in every time i can't remember how to use a command

IT WAS EARTH ALL ALONG!!

NaoPb, in every time i can't remember how to use a command

I’ve never used it. Just typing /h -h --help and if that doesn’t work then I’m Googling it.

MellowSnow, (edited )

I legitimately don’t understand why people still insist on recommending it. Like it had its place, and it was awesome for what it was, but there are many better ways of displaying that info and better ways of searching for it. If it’s the only option, fine. Otherwise, I’m not parsing through that shit in a terminal.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

It’s learned masochism to use the terminal for everything at this point.

ook_the_librarian,
@ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world avatar

I disagree that there are much better ways. When I have a question while I’m working in the terminal, it’s nice to have a searchable manual that’s in the terminal.

But I can certainly understand why modern manpages aren’t well-developed. That info is already somewhere else. And it’s good enough. It’s not like I’m paying people to write manpages.

ook_the_librarian, (edited )
@ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world avatar

“help is an invalid command. Use --help for help.”

I always feel like an idiot when a read an error message like that.

Driveway4964, in every time i can't remember how to use a command

Yes babe I am real man, do you want to go skateboardz?

honeyontoast, in every time i can't remember how to use a command

Man is too much for me. I can’t handle that many words at once, which is why I like using tldr

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