yote_zip, (edited ) As a Debian user I agree with Loius Rossmann’s sage advice.
Edit: (make sure you enable unattended security upgrades at least so you can pretend that you only update once every few months)
Ibaudia, That made me laugh at my work desk ty
NoXzema, (edited ) For those missing context, Rossman uses a software that helps view the layout of Mac hardware… and it breaks literally constantly.
Magister, Use MX Linux instead, it’s all the power of Debian with up to date everything.
Lime66, It is? I don’t see a mention of that on there website
Magister, Well, I have kernel 6.5.10, latest Firefox (in .deb) etc
teft, Hand starts shaking when he can’t update once an hour.
ritchie, His palms are sweaty
badbytes, Knees weak, as update not ready.
teft, There’s vomit in this cron job already
DahGangalang, Code Spaghetti
Flumsy, He’s nervous. But on the surface he looks calm and ready to retry.
avidamoeba, (edited ) Whenever you get bored:
<span style="color:#323232;">~$ sudo docker run -it --rm archlinux bash </span><span style="color:#323232;">[root@5452124778b3 /]# pacman -Syu </span><span style="color:#323232;">:: Synchronizing package databases... </span><span style="color:#323232;"> core downloading... </span><span style="color:#323232;"> extra downloading... </span><span style="color:#323232;">:: Starting full system upgrade... </span><span style="color:#323232;">resolving dependencies... </span>
Duke_Nukem_1990, Wait…is that all it takes to install arch in a docker container? Does this include a GUI or is it for terminal Haxxorz only?
avidamoeba, (edited ) Yes. It even pulls the image for you if you don’t have it.
deathmetal27, Terminal only. Though in theory you should be able to expose a port to access an X or Wayland session remotely to use a GUI, but I haven’t tried this.
avidamoeba, And yes.
CeeBee, You’re basically describing DistroBox, which does exactly that. It’s amazing.
possiblylinux127, Its easier to use distrobox with podman
avidamoeba, Could be. I know docker and this looked like a nail.
anonono, this coming from someone who used podman for years for hours for development every day.
podman is cancer, it’s way better to use docker rootless.
podman will break if you sneeze at it, and the only recourse you will find in github is to
podman system reset
which stinks of bad programming.docker rootless never breaks, podman may die if you cancel a download because the devs were either inexperienced or bad and instead of protecting the state with atomic filesystem operations they leave dirty files in working directories which make it fail in random and unexpected ways.
possiblylinux127, I’ve personally only had good experiences with podman
JoMiran, (edited ) I started my Linux journey in the 90’s with Red Hat Halloween. I’m sick and tired of troubleshooting and Debian based distros have been fully painless. Those of you learning your craft should absolutely try to manage things like Arch, just leave my old and tired ass be and I’ll sit here with my old kernel and cheer you on.
RegalPotoo, Yup - if your goal is to use Linux to learn how Linux works and how it’s all put together then Arch is awesome. If you’ve got stuff to do and Linux is a tool to reach another goal, not so much. I like my tools to be stable, reliable and predictable.
aard, There’s the old saying that Debian is available in three flavours: Stale, rusting and broken.
BlueBockser, broken saying
FTFY
possiblylinux127, All of which are quite stable.
Phrodo_00, Stable in the distro context refers to how often packages change. Sid (which is the one that’s broken in that) is not that. The other 2 are stable in that sense, but older software can sometimes be shaky on newer hardware.
PlasterAnalyst, I use BSD BTW
fl42v, (edited ) Freebsd be like: where
getopt
Amends1782, Specifically, OpenBasedSecureDistro, with a desktop environment, for gaming
Please send help, thanks
rikudou, Can I talk about our lord and saviour, NixOS, in these parts?
blotz, I’ve tried nix and its just not it. Its got cool ideas tho!
NateNate60, Well, Debian Sid is rolling-release if that’s your liking
bruhduh, (edited ) Are you me?) P.s been daily driving arch for 5 years and now switching back to Debian
callyral, i use void linux and apparently it is a stable rolling release
spookedbyroaches, Yeah and I’m a small-headed Arch user
bazzett, I really like Debian, but for some reason my not-new-laptop didn’t liked it. Issues with suspend, the WiFi and the NVME drive made me to nuke it last Wednesday and in its place I installed Fedora, which seems to play better with the hardware. At least I don’t have problems with it in my desktop.
ComradeWeebelo, (edited ) If you’re running Debian stable, your hardware was probably too new for the kernel. Unless they changed their development paradigm when I last ran it, stable is always 2-3 years behind mainline Linux software aside from security patches. It’s one of the key reasons why it’s so stable.
See the Don’t Suffer from Shiny Stuff Syndrome on the official wiki.
bazzett, I mean, my laptop is a Dell from 2018-2019 with a 8th gen Core i5, so I don’t think is too “new” 🤷🏻♂️.
lemann, That’s surprising. Dell should have good Linux driver support, seeing as they offer Ubuntu pre-installed in some markets.
Saying that, we have work issued Dell Precision mobile workstations and there are constantly hardware and driver issues under Windows, where you’d expect things to work just fine…
- the internal microphone not working (handy for meetings!)
- the 3.5mm combo jack not working (ah, great, no backup for when the internal microphone stops working)
- the battery handshake failing, causing the machine to not charge, stay stuck in a low performance mode, and constantly pop up Windows notifications saying the battery is not genuine
- the presence sensor locking the laptop while you’re literally working it
Now I use a USB headset, disabled the presence sensor, and reboot the laptop repeatedly until the battery is detected as genuine
Johanno, Go to debian-testing. Your dayli updates are back too
bazzett, Been there, done that. It wasn’t a bad experience, but also not a good one.
lodaket, A testing/sid hybrid is awesome on my hardware. These guides are pretty useful for keeping things sane:
Titou, Never had any issues with Arch
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