I thought they were so hot at the time. Well, of course, that was like 95% of what the point was with the band so mission accomplished I guess. To celebrate the downfall of Reddit, here's Ne Ver Ne Boysia Ne Prosi of Eurovision 2003. A different age, when Russia was actually seen as pretty OK. It's too bad what has become of Russia because I think their language lends itself well to music. :) Imagine what could have been, a beautiful country stretching through Siberia.
What happened is that the theatre of peace let its curtains fall to the stage, revealing violence behind. For as long as the average person doesn't fight tooth and nail for what is right and good, violence will always return.
You got paid, because it’s required by law that you do. Your boss is also required by law to not interfere with your service. It awesome that the judge held up the law. They would normly just dismiss you because it would take up time they don’t have.
You got paid, because it’s required by law that you do.
That's not true. Maybe it varies from state to state, I dunno, but I live in an otherwise very blue state, and there's no statute on the books saying that a private employer must pay for time missed for jury duty.
They are required to allow you to go if you're summoned, but beyond that, it's their choice. Obviously, most (if not all) choose not to.
I did jury duty for a week and was not paid a cent by my full time employer. That jury duty caused me to go without groceries for a while.The U.S. fucking sucks. The employee class is treated like absolute trash here.
Yes. It may vary by location, but in my area you get $15 a day from the court for going to jury duty. Employers are not required to pay you for time you are on jury duty.
This! Further where I am at its not limited to like your closest courthouse or closest three or even like closest plus the big downtown one. To boot some are in pretty dangerous neighborhoods.
Was there no hardship exception where you were? That’s unreal. I’m pretty sure they asked at the beginning of the selection process when I served if anyone needed to be dismissed for financial hardship. I think they even used not being able to pay for food as an example of what meets the threshold for an actual hardship.
My trial ended up lasting about 3 weeks and I want to say my check was around $115 and included “mileage”… Lol. I was unemployed at the time, otherwise I would have been pissed. Definitely not doable for a lot of people.
"Slavery's illegal... unless we want you for jury duty." is definitely some horseshit. My job will pay for like a week, but the fact that it's entirely possible to be called for longer and have the state pay you fuckall is ridiculous.
I did jury duty a bit over a year ago. It was a really interesting experience to see the machinary of the justice system operating.
I was chairperson in our jury. Reading our verdict to the court, with the accused sitting maybe 10 meters away was quite nerve-wracking. But, we did the right thing, justice was dispensed that day.
“No slavery or involuntary servitude” and then forces you to serve, involuntarily, in their army if they can’t get enough fools to volunteer for a war.
I mean, that's literally what every country in the entire world would do if their existence or culture was at risk of being destroyed. Who the fuck would just roll over and allow someone to kill their family and rape their resources? Is that you?
That is awesome. I don’t get why people don’t want to serve on juries anyway? It’s a civic duty and it will probably be only once in your life. It’s an interesting experience!
Because people can’t afford to. Most employers won’t pay you during that time. The court pays you like $15 a day which probably doesn’t cover your parking and lunch.
Depending how long you have to serve you can lose out on hundreds or thousands of dollars.
Most of America is living paycheck to paycheck. So being summoned is basically a death sentence for a lot of people.
The structure of USA’s society is that everyone travels to cities to work (where the office and/or restaurants / hangout spots are), but then travels to suburbia to sleep / pay taxes.
This means that the cityfolk are constantly doing jury duty for all the suburbanite visitors. Someone who lives in an urban area is pretty much going to get selected for jury duty as often as legally allowed.
Comes with the territory, like complaining about how expensive urban areas are. No one is forcing most people to live in or near a big city. You weren’t forced to take a job that requires it.
I hate the suburbs too, they can’t subsidize themselves though taxes for example, but this seems more like a matter of choice.
I live in the suburbs, because I recognize that I get all the benefits of cities with almost none of the downsides. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. As long as I can afford the suburbia and as long as it leads to a better life, I’ll take advantage of it.
But in the vast majority of cases, its the cities that provide the value (IE: job creation, center of commerce and innovation, location of efficiency with public transit / steamworks / useful infrastructure)… while suburbs are basically trying to live as close to the city as possible without taking on the responsibilities (IE: taxes go to the suburb schools / suburb cops without paying into the city that makes the suburb livable)
Jury Duty is just one more thing that proves the pattern. People mostly don’t commit crimes in suburbia, because no one is doing commerce in suburbia (its more efficient to centralize commerce into the city). So when crimes are committed, they’re usually in the city (white-collar, suing, traffic crimes, etc. etc.). So the overworked city-justice system (already at a disadvantage due to higher crime due to being the center of commerce) is then overworked some more as they usually can’t recruit jurors.
Doubly-so for cities like New York City who are supporting the suburbs in New Jersey. New York City cannot cross state lines and grab jurors from New Jersey, even though we all damn well know that New Jersey residents constitute a huge portion of the traffic, commerce, crime, and other problems in NYC.
Less so for cities closer to the center of a state… especially if the State can better distribute jurors / taxes and have a more fair system.
I’ve been on a jury a couple of times myself. The first time was boring and was a frustrating case. The second time was disturbing but very interesting and definitely a satisfying experience.
I understand that not everyone wants to serve if their employer doesn’t pay them; it can be a burden. Luckily mine does so I always look forward to summons in the hopes I get on a jury now.
I was called to jury duty in Arkansas back in '17. I actually WANTED to participate, but sadly, my spouse wanted to move out of state. When doing the initial court appearance, it was explained that if we received a ticket for parking within x blocks, bring the ticket to the court, and they would solve it. Sure enough, I had a ticket. I took it to the court, and I never heard anything more about it. When I moved, I still had 5 months of eligibility. I called they court, explained my move, and that was it.
We live in this country and gain all the benefits, so we should expect (and WANT) to perform our civic duty.
You often don't get paid or don't get paid nearly enough. Too many people like paycheque to paycheque to be able to do that.
And in extreme cases, you can get sequestered, where you're expected to basically put your life on hold for the duration of the trial, which complete bullshit and feels as if you're being punished.
Sequestering is absolutely not bullshit. It's done for very important reasons and judges are very careful about not ordering it unless it's truly necessary.
It is interesting, but it’s also frustrating, and forced, effectively uncompensated work. I say ‘effectively’ uncompensated because they pay you a token amount that may have been adequate 100 years ago but now is not. Indeed, many people wind up making negative money when taking in the cost of travel and food, to say nothing of actual missed pay from their normal job.
That said it is actually kind of easy to get out of it if you really want to most of the time. When I served, the judge accepted any reasonable excuse from those who needed to leave. The most annoying part though was that it felt like the attorneys liked wasting time on irrelevant bullshit.
Additionally, when the judge asks if there’s any reason you can’t serve you can state you will never vote against your conscience regardless of the law, and that if you don’t believe a person should be punished you will not vote them guilty no matter what the law says. They do not want and will not take someone who votes their conscience above all else.
I’ll forever be annoyed at myself for a reply that got me out of jury duty.
I do understand the importance of the concept and I am willing to serve. My only objection so far is how wasteful it can be. I got called up several years in a row …. To miss work and sit in a dingy basement all day until being excused as “not needed”. I even understand the point that the court has to be ready, but there’s got to be a way to make it less inconvenient to “stand by”.
So the one time my jury duty might have turned into doing something useful for society in return for my inconvenience , I get called to the bench and was asked a few questions. Unfortunately I got hit with anxiety and babbled something that I recognized afterwards as the exact opposite as intended, and was immediately excused.
Edit: fine, I’ll say it. The people who would use it to get out of jury duty probably wouldn’t take their responsibility seriously anyway. I attempted to say something like “I hold the police to a higher standard as a witness since that is their job”, and it came out as “yes, I always believe the police”. Wtf?
No, but I’m an aerospace engineer who (at the time, or close to it) worked for NASA with a master’s degree in structures. A lawyer I know suggested that is that they prefer less educated people on the juries. Could be we’re difficult to sway, could be we’re just a pain in the ass.
Love it. Good for them for sticking to some kind of guns. Reddit’s behavior doubling down this past couple weeks has soured my taste for the place even more. Ready to watch it burn - although I have a feeling it will be a slow, simmering death.
Will be interesting to see what all plays out after July 1st
I'm 49 and I got a notice for jury duty for the first time a couple months ago. You had to call a number every evening to see if you had to come in the next day. I never had to come in. In fact only one day that week had anyone coming in.
Your boss should have asked you to try and reschedule your jury duty if he needed you that badl for an event. I got summoned, called them up in advance and explained my work load slows down on the summer and could I come in then? They postponed it no problem
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