They are both Indo-European languages and it shows. The words for father and mother for example, are very similar in the two languages.
I will never understand why people always want to deny the interconnected nature of the universe and instead want everything to be unrelated and separate
The word for father and mother (especially mother) are similar in many European languages, Slavic included, which doesn’t mean the cultures share the same roots.
Though yes, I would agree that living on the same continent meant different cultures get to share a lot, inclding language, through trade or other means.
The point being made though was that the languages are well shown to be genuinely related through a common ancestral language from which they both deviated, just as have most languages in Europe and parts of the Near East. The connection is tangible and quite real, not something just based on some few similarities.
All I said is that they are related, because they very much are. Just read the Wikipedia page for either language if you’re interested, you’ll see that IE languages are all related.
Father and mother are probably the two worst examples. Mother is “mamá” in Spanish, and “mama” in Japanese, not because they’re related, but because babies make that sound a lot.
That said, I agree with you completely. It’s just that that specific example bugged me.
I used to type up long explanations but I don’t do it anymore. Either the person is not going to be uninterested and/or unconvinced, or they’ll read up more on it on their own
“Mama” is not the common word you’d use in Japan, it’s a loanword from watching English/European media. Normally they’d use “Haha”. At least as my neighbor once explained to me.
In Chinese, though, we use “maa maa”, which does sound more similar.
Read my other comments for a more detailed explanation, but the tl;dr of the matter is that while they are both Indo-European languages, each is from a vastly different branch family of the Indo-European language family. The Hellenic and Romance branch families for Greek and Latin respectively.
Technically they are related, but technically if you go far back enough I am related to you too, however any sensible person would never make the claim that you and I are related simply because we share a common ancestor somewhere along our history.
Edit: my other comments also have sources, but I don’t want to repeat myself once more, so I wont put them here as well. :)
“Technically”… I was simply trying to state that the absolutes being used here are wrong. They are. I am not interested at the moment in splitting hairs, that was never what I was trying to discuss. I happen to think it’s interesting to see how things are related. I think I’d love studying linguistics if it weren’t for your type being so prevalent. The type of person who will say “this has absolutely nothing to do with that” as if the only valuable perspective is to split and divide, and that taking a glimpse at the unknowable mysteries-- of exactly how historical changes played out-- is stupidity that should be stomped on.
It’s 100% true that there is a relationship and telling people there isn’t serves only to make you feel smart. I made no false assertions whatsoever so stop acting like I’m spreading dangerous lies.
I wasn’t attacking you with my comment, but anyway. I do agree there is a relationship and they influenced each other a lot (mostly Greek influencing Latin, not so much in reverse). I was just trying to say that not even linguists claim they are related. I didn’t once make the claim that they have nothing to do with each other either.
Yeah, the use of “related” in only one way is a pet peeve of mine. Relationships have many natures, and I think we all intuitively know that. I don’t believe in arbitrarily enforcing one of those types as the only valid one. Notice I never said anything false. I just think it’s fascinating to learn about those relationships and think about the things we can’t know. It’s not as though I imagined that they are super similar and then argued for that being fact …
I just think it’s fascinating to learn about those relationships and think about the things we can’t know
On that we agree :) If you like language/linguistic content in general, check out this guy. He makes content about old norse and such, its really interesting
I mean they are fairly similar. They share a lot of vocabulary, their nouns have corresponding declensions, verb conjucations are similar, there are a lot of other similar grammar constructions, and the Latin alphabet is mostly derived from the Greek alphabet, too.
Edit: Classical Greek and Classical Latin, at least. Modern Greek and Romance languages like Italian are further diverged from those ancestor languages to the point that they are difficult for modern speakers to even parse.
The entire fucking web worked with no ads for literally years. I do not feel bad, and won’t lament if companies can’t afford to pay people to cram even more JavaScript into web pages.
Sorry, web developers. Your masters are making you do evil things. It isn’t your fault, but I hate your jobs.
It’s probably worth noting that this has a lot to do with VCs pumping in a seemingly unlimited amount of funding for services that aren’t profitable yet but has potential to be later. Hence why Twitter is still a thing despite running at a loss for almost its entire lifetime.
Well, if you don’t mind losing all online content that’s more than a couple mb in size then sure, what you’re saying makes sense… Safely hosting over 1 billion videos costs money and people don’t want to pay for it directly so…
Tens of millions of people can and do pay. This isn’t about covering costs, this is about making line go up faster than last year, every year, no matter what.
80m premium subscribers, 2.7b monthly users… Do you really think that’s sustainable without having a secondary source of revenue? Because I don’t know that many businesses that survive from 3% paying customers…
That’s just for YouTube, but there are other websites that host content that wouldn’t be sustainable without ads and that would need to switch to a paid subscription format.
Is it so hard to admit that there’s something unusual about expecting websites to run out of the pocket of the owners/employees when we don’t expect real world businesses to do so?
At $15 a month? Yeah totally. The vast majority of that 2.7 billion probably cost a few cents at most to offer service to. Very few people actually upload anything and streaming video is way cheaper than the various streaming services would have you believe. It’s expensive to get off the ground, sure, but it scales well.
There were less than 200 websites in 1993 when the first paid ad was introduced shortly thereafter. There were over 100k websites by the end of 1995.
So you’re kind of right, but ads have been part of the Internet for 30 years. And half of the internet that we know today wouldn’t have survived if this wasn’t the case.
Half of he internet is shit, so - again - I personally would not lament its loss. My mom, who lives in games like Farmville these days, probably would, but she’d probably be healthier and happier if she took up knitting again.
I think the difference was, they were just side banners and that’s it. They didn’t have all this insane tracking, data analysis, metrics, and knowing everything about you bullshit they do now.
I can’t wait to find out how much YouTube is going to sue me for in 2025 for 20 years of blocked ad revenue. They’re going to use 2005 Napster math. You didn’t watch 3 ads per video x 6,000,000 played videos = $2 million lost revenue, pay up citizen, your Google services have been disabled, all location and behavior data is in possession of Alphabet Debt Collection, you cannot run, you cannot hide.
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