You taking about the elected officials, or the voters? You’ll have a much harder time finding politicians who are legitimately good people, let alone republicans.
I used to work for Republicans, much to my chagrin. To your point: the elected officials know they are misleading ignorant average people. They understand exactly what they are doing, ESPECIALLY when they're at their most hypocritical. I heard it from their lips repeatedly. They are all fucked in the head, even in personal interactions. It's trashier WWE.
If you vote republican, you’re not a good person, and never have been since the party flip-flop. They’ve always been the party trying to suppress the rights of anyone who isn’t a rich white male.
And now they’re literally traitors trying to overthrow our government.
No I realise it could be taken that way. If you read further up their comment it says if you vote for someone it’s the same as overthrowing the government. I wrote I would never in response to the voting part, I didn’t need to go any further but I understand how it may have been taken that way
I don’t think I said I think they are all the same. I obviously think in general they are on the wrong side of history. But there’s also some acknowledgment that there are some really shitty liberals too
Well if you look you will find some examples. Didn’t the republicans vote for the veterans care act to push through the use of psilocybin and mdma for treatment resistant veterans suffering from ptsd? I would imagine it would have been hard to go against the grain to make that decision and I’m sure there were a lot of republican voters who weren’t happy but it seems like the obvious right choice
Wait, if you're a Republican and you're admitting that Republican politicians don't have critical thinking ability, then why are you still voting for having them run a country and affecting the livelihoods of millions (billions) of people?
If the only Republican policies you're supporting are benign ones (as a non-American, I don't know which those are), are they worth all the ones that oppress and take away the rights of others?
And if you're a Republican but not a fan or voter of the Republican party as it stands, then maybe you need to reconsider what your definition of a Republican is, because Republicans themselves today are defining themselves in ever-bolder terms.
Then that leads to the even bigger question of how you know that not all Republicans - at least, its uniquely American construction - are bad?
(If you mean to say that in your country, republican is a beautiful-smelling flower, then the answer to that is that in common internet discourse, it has come to mean the American GOP, and people who may be taking the hyperbolic stance that all Republicans are bad are talking specifically about those Republicans. Just FYI.)
And don't get me wrong, I'm a huge supporter of the idea that increased polarisation and demonisation of the other side is only going to push people towards extreme positions and alienate those who only support a small number out of the basket of things that are in that box: things that may be necessary for their continued survival or way of life.
Nonetheless, given what the Republican party has begun to stand for more and more, with its wilful ignorance and inexplicable support for Trump, it is becoming increasingly indefensible to believe that people who will vote for that particular team, regardless of the consequences, are not basically complicit in evil.
I personally don't think all Republicans are bad. But even the good ones have had years to consider if maybe they were the baddies. And if they recognise that there are deplorables among them, then maybe they shouldn't take criticism towards the loudest of them so personally either. And consider moving away from the Republican brand.
I’m basing my opinions off the internet. Can’t go anywhere without hearing about it. I’m not completely against the idea of conservation as a way to slow down some things that may be moving too fast and can have unexpected and unintended consequences. Republicans appear to have a funny idea of what conservative means. I think what I’m trying to get across is that as long as it’s an us vs them attitude and the idea that they are always wrong, dumb, brain dead idiots, there’s not going to be a bridge to figure out what the hell they are thinking
There's a difference between conservatism and regressivism, and as you yourself keep saying, the Republicans you see on the internet (your source, apparently) are not just being conservative.
Which again, begs the question of why you think you're qualified to claim that this is some "truth".
And again, I'm completely sympathetic to the idea that uncritical hatred and demonising of "the other side" leads to uncritical and one-sided ideas of the "truth".
What I think you're missing is the nuance that someone can consider both sides and still consider that one side is indefensible. The disqualification of the modern Republican from being "good people" does not mean that someone has not carefully thought through their stand.
Now about how you react to bad people: you can give them a chance to be good - the benefit of the doubt that they may not actually be standing for everything that being a modern Republican involves. But like I said previously, it might be a good time for those people to re-evaluate whether they actually are Republicans (an archaic term that has no real meaning today beyond a party affiliation) or feel like maybe it's time to recognise something has gone deeply wrong.
If you are republican you believe in cutting social safety nets, pro war, anti gun regulation, and anti lgbtq. I view all of those as “bad people traits”. I don’t think anyone who can say they are for gutting welfare can also say they are a good person at heart.
Exactly. You can say please and thank you all you want, hold doors open for people, smile at them on the sidewalk, but that’s all thrown in the garbage if you aren’t willing to actually do something to help people.
Welfare is a great example - most republicans use the “it’s being abused” line as their go-to reason that it should be scrapped. Being a good person is knowing that it is being abused - but the value of it helping people outweighs the 1ish percent of people who are on it and abuse it.
Half of the programs are so neutered it’s like, who cares that it is? Ohhh noooo this guy makes $23k instead of $22k he still can’t afford to eat let him have his blistering $100 of ebt. 🤷
My favorite is catching those “I wouldn’t work either if I could just live on a check!” types. I encourage them to get that ssi check if they can, while explaining that they’ll have to spend their savings down to under a grand, if they have two cars they’ll have to sell one, etc etc - all to pull like $800/mo that’ll drop to $50 if they log so much as a few hours at a part time job.
If that sounds like heaven to you, live yo best life fam. 🤷 But I don’t think that reality aligns with their vision of life of SSI.
I live in a very red part of Florida. They've all been pretty nice to me. Of course, I'm white, my baby is blonde haired and blue eyed, and I'm in the military. They usually get pretty surprised when I open my mouth and start spouting crazy commie stuff like Trans Rights are Human rights.
I’m a white redneck looking cis male in South Dakota. Many of these “nice” people think I’m one of them and will share their most abhorrent opinions with me, which they may not disclose in polite company. It’s to the point that I have to wear “woke” shirts that say things like BLM or trans rights to avoid these monsters.
I assure you my belief that Republicans are awful is not unfounded. Ask them what they think about LGBT+ people. “As long as they don’t shove it down my throat…” Ask them what they think about Native people – “That was so long ago, they need to get over [the genocide].” Ask them if climate change is real, ask them about the poor, ask them about undocumented workers.
Republicans are unfit for society. They would immediately be cast out of any functional community, and rightfully so. The only way to deal with them is to socially and systemically deplatform and disenfranchise them. That’s why I’d never make friends with a Republican.
Is it kind of the same thing as saying the Jews are greedy compared to something like that person is greedy and is also a Jewish person. The Jewish part doesn’t matter and it’s only used as a descriptor. As in when you say republicans are awful you aren’t separating the good from the bad, I cannot believe there are no exceptions and if there are exception what makes it any different to the argument against racism?
People are religiously and/or ethnically Jewish. Republicans are a political party (are you implying being a Republican is a religion or an ethnic group??) Seeing Jewish people as greedy is a stereotype based on racism. Republicans vote for policies and platforms that are bigoted. This is crazy that you think these two things are the same, or are even comparable at all.
The grouping and assumption of someone’s goodness or badness being based on something as complex as a political opinion is also crazy. There are multiple policies and sometimes people just do things to follow the crowd. Being misguided is not the same as being a bad human
Race is something you are born into and to assume all people of that race believe the same thing is ridiculous… They are a group of individuals tied together by chance. Republicans are a group tied together by beliefs. If those beliefs are bad, then the entire group is bad because they all believe the same thing because they all willingly joined that group
You’re saying all republicans are exactly the same? The awful, vile, racist nazi trumpers are the same as the quiet country family that go to church and do charity work and only vote r because they always have and their church community all vote r. They have an exchange student from Africa staying with them because one time they did some missionary work there and thought the people were great? If you think those two are the exactly the same and even believe the same thing I can’t see how that’s all that different fundamentally than racism.
People aren’t good for bad because of their ethnicity or religion. They’re good or bad because of the choices they make. A Republican is someone who has chosen to support the Republican party. That’s such an absolutely vile choice to make that I have no problem with condemning everyone who makes it.
I think you’ll find most people voting r come from backgrounds who always vote republican. It’s a way of life and the idea of voting another way has never entered their mind because of one or two issues like abortion or some other non money related policy. Take abortion for example, these people literally think they are saving innocent babies from being slaughtered. Sounds noble to me, even like they’re, dare I say it, good people or at least trying to be. Except when you take into account the infringement of someone elses bodily autonomy and the part where a bunch of cells don’t have the same consciousness of a fully grown human or even a late term baby which appears to be how they’re thinking about it. Then they’ll throw some other bullshit like it’s what could have been before you killed that fetus. Life is precious. Nearly every one of them then happy to take life saving medicines or wear glasses to change “what could have been.” And then they’ll never ignore that the bible gives instructions on how to abort a fetus and doesn’t appear to condemn it. These people seek truth and want to do the right thing. They’re just denying logic in the process.
No, this is not an all the same thing, and you are unhinged if you think it is. The entire Republican platform is anti-human/anti-progress, and if you align with it in any way, for any reason, you have gone out of your way to be a piece of shit.
There’s no such thing as being a Republican and simultaneously being a good person. These things are not compatible, and certainly not comparable at all to something like race or ethnicity, such as being Jewish.
Edit: If you are arguing that Republicans have the potential to be good people, then this is absolutely true, but it would necessitate ceasing to be a Republican, which they can choose to do at any time.
“Some of the Nazis were good people” – Get the fuck out
I’m a tall chubby cishet dude with a big beard in VA.
People say the quiet part out loud to me within 3-5 minutes basically anytime I go to a bar or something, and all the normies treat me like I’m the asshole when I disagree with the guy saying trans people are too in his face and need to dress appropriately because they’re such a nice guy otherwise.
Well clearly they’re not, are they, if they think entire sections of the population shouldn’t be allowed to live their life (or whatever the subject is?)
My partner passes as a straight cis white dude and works in finance and you are right, within the first interaction of meeting a bigot they will open their mouths and out themselves. And the worst part is, they nearly always phrase it as an in-joke, or an in-thing, like they are figuratively ‘wink wink nudge nudging’ him and it drives him fucking crazy that they just assume he’s one of them and will nod or laugh along. Instead, he pulls a reverse uno and shames them, very politely, for various super neutral reasons: like not being professional and staying on topic, or for being a hr violation, etc. He’s found the less progressive, more business-neutral language really fucks them up, they get super embarrassed
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