“B… but Israel good. The TV said so. They had a holocaust against them, they’re saints. We gave them defensive weapons, surely they can’t abuse that extremely effective defense infrastructure to become fucking monsters.”
For a lot of people it’s because Ukrainians are white and Palestinians aren’t. Also Israel and USA are allies so for most Americans it just instantly means Israel is good.
USA installs puppet in Ukraine in 2013 by overthrowing democracy and sovereignty. Ukraine aggresses against Donbass. Murders thousands of ethnic Russians for years. zero lib eyelids batted Donbass asks to become independent and absorbed into Russia. USA biolabs discovered admittedly by Nuland. Russia retaliates for defense. Slava Rossiya.
Israel aggresses against Palestine for 80ish years. Kills, steals land, tortures Palestinians. Palestine retaliates. libs go wild, support Zion agenda + notwhiteskin=lessimportant Slava Palestine.
idk, from an american perspective, pretty sure the americans that support Ukraine also support Palestine, whereas the americans that support Russia also support Israel.
I absolutely cannot keep track of the layers of betrayal and reconciliation. Anyone who tells you that an issue in the Middle East is certain is, at best, benignly unaware. It is utterly unsalvageable on both sides.
Or “people I disagree with that I accuse of saying ridiculous shit that while they never stop saying it I simultaneously can not point to a single instance of it being said”
They’re not identical, but they have similarities. What Russia is trying to do to Ukraine is not dissimilar to what Israel did to Palestine half a century ago.
Idk if this is a hot take, but imo the war in Ukraine is pretty clear city while the Palestinian and Israeli conflict his an infinite list of wrinkles and nuances.
It’s far less controversial to say the former is Russia’s fault than it is to say the latter is either Palestine’s or Israel’s fault.
Yeah mostly because isreal/ Palestine conflict is much older then russia/Ukraine so a lot of things happened. But at it’s very core they both started because of the same claim : russia claimed used to own Ukraine so they want it back. The jews used to own Palestine so they want it back. So if you support Ukraine and isreal you’re just a hypocrite
I haven’t seen anyone here “support Israel”. Almost everyone agrees that the Israeli State is not free of guilt, far from it.
What people really disagree over is whether that alone makes Palestine right (nuanced) and whether it justifies Hamas’ actions (unhinged but unfortunately semi-common take on here).
Palestinian conflict is very simple: an army vs civilians. Only gonna end when all the latter are dead.
Should we ever try to sanction that army? Never! Should we try sanctioning US for killing million iraqis who had not a WMD? No! Should we sanction Nato for bombing the wealthiest african estate libya to it’s ruin? Ah wait, WE are Nato. Can’t shoot own ankle.
Please do not put words in my mouth that I did not say, I will not entertain that. I am happy to respond to any arguments you make or answer any questions otherwise.
What nuance is there be had about this? Israel is a settler-colonial apartheid state that deserves what should’ve happened to America when those settlers were doing it. That’s like saying “the civil rights conflict has an infinite list of wrinkles and nuances”; in that it’s objectively wrong.
You’d have a good point except for the fact that Hamas governs the Gaza Strip. So, it’s like blaming the government of Ukraine for the actions of the Ukrainian government.
Also, don’t think I missed you making up anti-Russian pogroms in Ukraine, buddy
Go ask the Palestinians if US intervention has been a big misunderstanding and they’re actually looking out for them and bringing them democracy like they say
Biden is 100% gonna support “Israel’s right to defend itself”, while they’ve been awfully quiet when Palestani people are getting murdered and their infrastructure decimated 🫣🤫
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