Empricorn,

Warning: Some super-unique hot takes from edgelords here!

Proceed with caution…

boatsnhos931,

You ruined the surprise!!!

Titan,

Biden is 100% gonna support “Israel’s right to defend itself”, while they’ve been awfully quiet when Palestani people are getting murdered and their infrastructure decimated 🫣🤫

Fucking fascists

bigFab,

Ppl who have no idea how palestinian conflict started half a century ago commenting like ‘completely different cases!’

Same ppl fifty years later and war continues in Ukraine: ‘ok, now I get it’

Agent641,

It all started with this fuckin’ Serbian dude getting a sandwich…

LapGoat,
@LapGoat@pawb.social avatar

idk, from an american perspective, pretty sure the americans that support Ukraine also support Palestine, whereas the americans that support Russia also support Israel.

mostly certain.

bdonvr,

pretty sure the americans that support Ukraine also support Palestine

I’d like to see those people square that up with this: thelemmy.club/…/90177c67-3aa3-4cb6-88cb-72c96b2a4…

LapGoat,
@LapGoat@pawb.social avatar

i mean, supporting a country’s current struggle doesn’t equal supporting every view of that country’s leader.

shrug

gullible,

I absolutely cannot keep track of the layers of betrayal and reconciliation. Anyone who tells you that an issue in the Middle East is certain is, at best, benignly unaware. It is utterly unsalvageable on both sides.

pelya,

But Israel supports Ukraine, hmmmm.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Because both Israel and Ukraine are run by Zionist heads. Zelensky is a Zionist, not an innocent Jew.

alvvayson,

No, there is a big group that supports Ukraine and Israel.

And that group includes a majority in Congress, President Biden and (in Ukraine) president Zelensky.

And then there are also the tankies that support Palestine and Russia.

Finally, a lot of people are neutral or non-aligned in Israel vs Palestine, including myself, but definitely pro-Ukraine.

seitanic,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

So, does supporting Palestine automatically make you a tankie?

Omega_Haxors,

Tankie is just a word internet creeps use as a derogatory term for “on the right side of history” so yes it does.

Facebones,

Or “people I disagree with that I accuse of saying ridiculous shit that while they never stop saying it I simultaneously can not point to a single instance of it being said”

Socsa,

You mean that time that the USSR rolled tanks into Prague because checks notes the socialist government published some newspapers?

Bro, even Mao Zedong was like “that shit is mega fucked up.”

Omega_Haxors,

Said like 99.9999% of people who use that word just use it to mean anyone having left-of-hitler views.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

It has nothing to do with being left, it’s being authoritarian that makes you a tankie.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

tankie is to libs is what woke is to nazis

alvvayson,

No, you have to support Russia’s invasions of its neighbours to be a tankie.

President_Pyrus,
@President_Pyrus@feddit.dk avatar

Tasteless

essellburns,

Let’s make a list of all the ways Ukraine is different to Palestine.

We’ll be here a while.

oldGregg,
  1. Ukraine is 7 letters and Palestine is 9
Facebones,

Illuminati confirmed

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Ukraine and Israel share Zionist heads/presidents.

Palestine and Donbass share being continuous victims of genocide, bombing, land taken away, water and electricity cut, citizens harassed and so on.

ThereRisesARedStar, (edited )

Reminder that the OUN, which helped do the holocaust, used the phrase “Slava Ukraini” as their motto

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

Palestine needs a state and so does Israel

Omega_Haxors,

Broke: Two-state solution

Woke: One-state solution

Bespoke: Zero-state solution

Outtatime,
@Outtatime@sh.itjust.works avatar

Because the TV tells them who to support

emergencyfood,

I’m so proud of my government for acting consistently. They support Russia and Israel.

(I get why they’re doing it, but it still feels wrong.)

cyclohexane,

Let me guess… India?

emergencyfood,

Of course. Russia I expected, but I didn’t know our government wanted Pegasus so badly.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

BJP hates democracy (they literally always say “too much democracy”) and socialist activists. BJP aligns with Russia only because Hindutva rightwingers are bigots that align with anti-LGBT culture among socially right leaning Russians, and because BJP leverages the age old relations we have had with Russia for ever, that Congress laid the foundations for.

emergencyfood,

I don’t think ideology has anything to do with the decision to keep quiet on Ukraine. India needs Russian fertiliser and oil, and does not want global wheat shortages that could raise the domestic price of food. So I don’t think the decision would have been different if the UPA was in power.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

The reason is different for BJP and Congress. Congress never needed to do anything else, India has had considerable global soft power and peaceful social atmosphere under them.

Currently, BJP knows it has a very specific voter base (upper caste Kshatriyas/Brahmins/Baniyas ≈ 40%) within which people are starting to stop supporting Modi, because favours for Adani and big oligarchs. Modi wants to seize this moment to hang onto the balls of Xi and Putin, to become part of the new “vishwaguru” (world leader) polar hegemony, and become immortal in historical books for somehow uplifting India, even though India has become a trashy disturbed country since BJP came into power. This is the reason almost nobody knows or talks about. BJP knows the way it has thrown all of its critics and journalists in jail (and bought out all of TV news outlets) undemocratically, if they are elected out of power, all of them will find themselves jailed and possibly even hanged within months.

India’s needs for food and other goods is just an outcome of a great long term mutual relation with Russia, resulting in bilateral normalcy.

Kra,

Yeah because Palestine is the aggressor here and to fully blame. Slava ukraini and fuck Palestine.

Why9,

Russia aggresses against Ukraine. Ukraine retaliates. Slava Ukraine.
Israel aggresses against Palestine. Palestine retaliates. Fuck Palestine.

Make that make sense.

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

“B… but Israel good. The TV said so. They had a holocaust against them, they’re saints. We gave them defensive weapons, surely they can’t abuse that extremely effective defense infrastructure to become fucking monsters.”

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

What was the first aggression event?

Slwh47696,

For a lot of people it’s because Ukrainians are white and Palestinians aren’t. Also Israel and USA are allies so for most Americans it just instantly means Israel is good.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

USA installs puppet in Ukraine in 2013 by overthrowing democracy and sovereignty. Ukraine aggresses against Donbass. Murders thousands of ethnic Russians for years. zero lib eyelids batted Donbass asks to become independent and absorbed into Russia. USA biolabs discovered admittedly by Nuland. Russia retaliates for defense. Slava Rossiya.

Israel aggresses against Palestine for 80ish years. Kills, steals land, tortures Palestinians. Palestine retaliates. libs go wild, support Zion agenda + notwhiteskin=lessimportant Slava Palestine.

Now that makes sense.

seitanic,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

All you have to do is look at a map of how much land Israel was originally given vs. how much they have now.

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Fuck off nszi.

Titan,

This is sarcasm right? Or you must’ve been born yesterday

zifnab25,
SineNomineAnonymous,

The people who have spent time telling is that Ukraine is fighting for its nation against an invader and how its good are having a real hard time reconciling with reality as evidenced by the amount of down votes.

If anything, this Hamas operation revealed you fucks’ true faces. It was never about “liberty of the people” “self governance” or “respect of territorial integrity”. It’s just that you’re bloodthirsty monsters desperate to have a side to pick and finding excuses for why you always align with the largest imperial power in the world.

bi_tux,
@bi_tux@lemmy.world avatar

Ukraine is simply more important to the countries bordering russia, the EU and it’s allies

camelbeard,

Ukraine is a sovereign nation that got attacked by another country.

Palestine just carried out a horrible attack on Israel. Plus the history of Israel and Palestine is totally different. It’s just apples and oranges. I’m not claiming in any way Israel is right here, but Hamas is definitely scum of the Earth.

Omega_Haxors,

Aha i’m going to have fun reading the comments. Liberals let their fascism show whenever geopolitics get involved.

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