Also, the ideology I agree with but I swear these “memes” are made by the deranged. It’s the kind of handwritten scrawl you expect to see taped to lampposts by the guy who wanders around with empty tincans cellotaped to his patchwork hat
People responding to the meme that needing cars isn’t evil, and is required for many areas, are missing the point of the meme.
The meme is complaining about areas we built that can exist as they are only if everyone owns a car. If we weren’t so consumerist, and if white people could better tolerate living near black people, we wouldn’t have so much of the population living in suburban areas where cars are so necessary. A lot more people would live in circumstances where public transport is more viable for them.
And, of course, some shade thrown at the car buyers who buy comsumptively-extreme cars to do piddling stuff in. The number of basic sedans that can be had with 200+hp engines, or F150 pickups with massive gas-guzzling engines, that only get used for surface road driving one or two people around, is pretty ridiculous.
The main wrong thing about the meme is that it’s assuming our situation was created specifically so that evil corporations could sell cars and gas… no, they’re profiting from, and exacerbating, the problem of white flight from cities. Most of the country’s problems come in large part from racism first, and then profiteering on top of that.
Trains are good for short distances, like going to work.
When you compare trains to planes, why would you take a train for a long distance journey? It takes much longer to get there and it’s also more expensive.
"I would love to live here"photo looks like a typical suburb - with a population density that is at a level where everyone still needs to own a car. I’m thinking European cities like Bern. Most people don’t need one to get to work but basically every household still needs one for non-work use.
Car-free population density should be more like minor Japanese cities (like Kanazawa, etc), or old towns in Europe (downtown Bordeaux).
Says who? Is there some natural law when the universe was created that said mankind are not allowed to drive?
YEARS OF BUILDING CAR INFRASTRUCTURE yet NO DECREASE IN OVERALL TRAVEL TIME
Ok you go and set off on foot on a 200km journey, and a car sets off at the same time to get to the same place, who will get there first?
Want to go somewhere fast? We have a vehicle for that; It’s called a “TRAIN”
Trains are great at moving people / goods between urban areas, but are awful (obviously) for point-to-point journeys. Want to the doctors fast? Can’t exactly get on the the train directly outside your house to the front door of the doctors. I like trains, I use them where I can and always use them whenever I go into the office, but you cannot seriously suggest using trains to totally replace cars, it’s so ridiculous that I’d swear you’ve never even seen one.
“i am DRIVING my…”
Not sure what’s deranged about it? In fact that case is very valid as you’re likely to have a lot of shopping (two weeks worth) that you’d really struggle to carry on public transport. It might have a bit more authenticity if you said it was just to get some bread and milk.
I get the sentiment, we should totally be trying to reduce our car usage and planning our urban environments to favour walking, cycling and public transport, but the fuckcars community on here are totally deranged. Your arguments look ridiculous and aren’t going to convince anyone.
There does seem to be a high proportion of city dwellers wondering why somebody who lives four miles from the nearest shop that sells something more substantial than Budweiser and crisps would need a car…
Was there ever any doubt that people who dislike cars live in walkable cities? They can’t conceive that someone could live in another place that doesn’t have the same infrastructure they do. The idea of being out in the middle of nowhere with 40 acres of land doesn’t even cross their minds because to them everyone lives in an urban environment or should be able to make the same solutions work.
It’s also weird that they classify getting groceries for two weeks as strange, like do you guys not have natural disasters? You just buy groceries for the next day? What do you do when the shelves go bare during things like Covid or a hurricane? I guess you turn into looters, since you apparently think planning for anything beyond the next day is “deranged.” God forbid someone has some extra rice and beans to get through a period of logistics failure.
Cool lemme just build a train really quick to my work, great idea
Like I get what this is saying and all, and I will vote for anyone who supports this kind of thing, but telling me not to drive my car is not the solution.
I love how people just come up with this shit with their knowledge of their local area. Any train here requires driving to, and does not come and go frequently, and takes longer. Our infra is terrible.
On the flip side, some places have awesome infra and I wish I had that. I’d prefer to pedal bike if I could. But where I’m at you’re very likely to be killed without bike lanes or sidewalks, and it would take hours to get anywhere important - IE work.
This person has a point though. Typically most people can’t even afford to live where I live, and most of the jobs are 50Km away. The nearest bus stop is an hour and a half walk. Biking is dangerous since there are ditches and no sidewalks on either side and people typically drive 90Km/hr.
And when you get to the bus loop, buses come every hour. Takes 3 transfers before you get to a train. Then you take a train to a bus. Then more walking.
It’s 2.5 hours each way if you bike. 3.5 hours each way if you walk to the bus stop.
If it snows, it’s a crapshoot. Sometimes the trains cease to function. Longest one way commute I’ve had on transit was 7 hours.
I think some people just need to realize not everywhere is like Amsterdam and has a wicked bike lane and transit setup.
Honestly, what were you expecting? There just can’t be any Utopic website or group that won’t fight at all. People moved over to Lemmy because they hated Spez’ decisions, not because they were these mythical, superior moral beings that only help others out of selfless reasons. Sure we all have values and principles but that does not excuse us of our faults.
Point proven. I was just stating my opinion and people feel like they need to dogpile, despite the fact they actually agree with what I’m fucking saying.
In the UK in the 1960s the Government fabricated “evidence” about train use so they could cut about 70% of the railways and sell the land on. It was known as the Beeching Report iirc.
Lol yeah, who would want their own personal vehicle they can use to go where they want and on what route they want without having to share with total strangers who can and will hurt you when you can ride the filthy, bedbug-ridden, urine-soaked train next to the crazy homeless guy jacking off right in front of you?
You’re not going to sway anyone into giving up their autonomy just because you don’t like the way they live. If you’re so butthurt about it, why wouldn’t you just band together with the other NPCs, put a pot of money together, buy a shitload of land out in the boonies, incorporate it into a separate county and just build a walkable city of your own?
But you won’t, because you’re too lazy, selfish, and lack initiative, and that’s why you’ll never get the world you want.
You know the issues you’re bringing up aren’t caused by public transit, right? You’re so emotional over this and tear down the idea of public transit instead of giving a shit about mental healthcare in your country.
So now neither issue is solved, interesting perspective. You ever consider that traffic might be better for people like you who are deathly afraid of interacting with others if more people use public transportation?
Because no one’s talked about forcing you on a bus or flatly banning the existence of cars. You’re latching onto a hyper exaggerated scenario so you can act hysterical while feeling justified. You aren’t, you just have a small mind that’s easily manipulated into being against your own best interests.
As it stands now everyone needs to invest thousands of dollars to acquire and maintain something that is essentially required to participate in modern society. If you like doing that then more power to you, but everyone else just wants to have a choice.
No, they do, you just didn’t read the article and you don’t care to because the only one getting emotional about this – and trying once again to derail the conversation because you think this about winning – is you.
You are never going to solve sexism and you certainly can’t do it overnight, and if I can’t convince you to put your feelings to the side and stick only to facts in a simple forum conversation, how the hell do you think people are going to undo millennia of toxic sexist ideas in time to implement car bans and avoid needlessly jeopardizing other people?
That’s right, you won’t, because ultimately, you don’t care about the safety or well-being of others. You just want to get rid of eyesores.
total strangers who can and will hurt you when you can ride the filthy, bedbug-ridden, urine-soaked train next to the crazy homeless guy jacking off right in front of you?
What post-apocalyptic hellscape do you live in? And here I was, thinking I live in a third-world country.
I live in a major city and frequently travel by bus and metro. I go to my hometown once a month or so, by train. Haven’t experienced these horrors (yet).
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