Lime66,

No, Richard, it’s ‘Linux’, not ‘GNU/Linux’. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS – more on this later). He named it ‘Linux’ with a little help from his friends. Why doesn’t he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff – including the software I wrote using GCC – and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don’t want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title ‘GNU/Linux’ (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn’t the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you’ve heard this one before. Get used to it. You’ll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn’t more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn’t perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I’d like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn’t be fighting among ourselves over naming other people’s software. But what the heck, I’m in a bad mood now. I think I’m feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn’t you and everyone refer to GCC as ‘the Linux compiler’? Or at least, ‘Linux GCC’? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux’ huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don’t be a nag.

Thanks for listening.

uranibaba,

I had a “wait a moment” when I saw this picture. Your comment cleared it up. Also found it funny how Linux is hinted at as being part of the GNU project.

bufalo1973,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

So Windows 10 is not an OS. The OS is NTOSKRNL. Right?

user1234,

The G, N, and U in GNU are silent.

I think Android/Linux is the other common variant.

Wogi,

If you say GNU Linux it sounds like Linux has died and it’s name is being sent up and down the clacks.

sundray,

I thought it was just called Ubuntu!

Chakravanti,

GNU/L

crsu,

People here think Gentoo is what you do on Saturday, don’t they?

SpaceNoodle,

I don’t get it.

HootinNHollerin,

His chances are zero

iggy,

Alpine has entered the chat…

thanks_shakey_snake,

What is the subtext of this comment?

gallopingsnail,
@gallopingsnail@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Alpine is an alternative to GNU that can also be used with the Linux kernel.

bufalo1973,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

As has Android.

Kusimulkku,
Leate_Wonceslace,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Where can I find the original?

LinkOpensChest_wav,

Check !traditional_art

There was a good quality image posted there not too long ago

MeatsOfRage,
CosmicTurtle,

Ngl, love the misdirect of using lemmynsfw.com url.

Rolando,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Berthold_Woltze_-_Der_l%C3%A4stige_Kavalier.jpg up to 1,521 × 2,000 pixels.

Mr_Blott,

GNU/Linux

GNU+Linux

Pick one type of arithmetic,you insufferable cunts 😂

fl42v,

Shouldn’t be gnu*linux or gnu-linux? Cuz as is they’re kinda the opposite operations

Mr_Blott,

Sorry I fell asleep halfway through your comment, could you type it again?

Rootiest,
@Rootiest@lemmy.world avatar

GNU x Linux

hglman,

That’s way too large of a software project.

ElBarto, (edited )
@ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ok, how about Gnu ÷ Linux

Honytawk,

Gnu ❤️‍Linux

Acters,

GNU ^ Linux

baltakatei,

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</span><span style="color:#323232;">  <mfrac>
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    <mtext>GNU</mtext>
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    <mtext>Linux</mtext>
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  </mfrac>
</span><span style="color:#323232;"></math>
</span>
jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I generally respond with “Yeah, wake me up when Gnu has it’s own bootable kernel… it’s only been 34 years…”

nosansa, (edited )

www.gnu.org/software/hurd/

First released in 1990.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

And still not bootable or stable 34 years later.

Gnu wouldn’t exist without Linux, not the other way around.

BeardedGingerWonder,

Nobody’s even HURD about it.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

And maybe some day it will have a stable release… today, is not that day. Tomorrow aint looking good either. :)

Sheeple,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Counterpoint. No one uses GNU alone as their interface on their personal computer.

LinkOpensChest_wav,

Now I’m picturing her turning around and saying this to him

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