gleph,
@gleph@lemmy.world avatar

I love that it helps you see how little of the welfare payments are going to the unemployed, since that’s the part that concerns people the most.

Deez,

That’s a newer addition, when it first came out under a conservative Goverment, all welfare was grouped together.

Risk,

Classic Conservative tactic.

“Evil, stupid, greedy-” stuffs pockets “-jobless, welfare scroungers!” stuffs pockets “Pensioners, vote for me to bring down our welfare spending!”

Agent641,

Indeed, especially since I am quite unconcerned about the Aged. They had their chance!

Z3k3,

Uk government tried this a few yrs ago trying to spin the welfare part as work shy bambots then it came out that the lions share was pension pots that took up most of it with the teachers pensions being the one the media focused on

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

The US has a similar breakdown by % as this Australian one, except that what’s called “welfare” in Australia is called “entitlements” in the US and makes up about 50% of the budget. Welfare in terms of the dole aka money given to “work shy bambots” makes up only about half of one percent.

just_another_person,

This is pretty great. This should be happening everywhere.

Nesola,

That’s what I thought. I bet that would raise understanding of federal purposes

Singar,

I get one from the US gov. It looks like:

Military spending ======================== Other =

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

My favorite thing about budget breakdowns in the US is how often pundits list defense spending as a percentage of GNP (gross national product) rather than as a percentage of the annual budget. Nothing else in the budget ever gets this kind of favorable treatment (which makes it appear smaller than it actually is) except sometimes debt service.

TyrionsNose,

I don’t think that’s favorable treatment. Defense is 3%. Social Security is 5%. Medicaid and Medicare is also 5%.

We can afford our defense budget and make the country better for the common person by utilizing our funds more efficiently and/or moving to universal healthcare.

nuke,
Virgo,

Makes me want to calculate what goes where in my taxes based off these percentages, even if it’s not the most accurate

Virgo,

Makes me want to calculate what goes where in my taxes based off these percentages, even if it’s not the most accurate

gornar,
@gornar@lemmy.world avatar

I love that tiny wee slice of corporate income tax compared to personal

dragonflyteaparty,

Interesting that the Medicare has a note that the amount includes offsetting receipts like premiums.

Peepolo,

We get this in the UK too 👍.

Duchess,
@Duchess@yiffit.net avatar

do we?? i don’t think i’ve ever had one of these. do you have to apply for one or can you access it online?

Darkard,

You will get one with your council tax bill that will cover your local constituency. But I’ve never seen one for my tax as a whole.

brap,

I’ve seen it on the council tax statement but not otherwise.

showmewhatyougot,

Always liked this because it helps people see to some extent where money is going.

I know the UK and Portugal do this as well. It was especially interesting in the UK during the Brexit years because you could see a tiny piece of that pie chart with EU contributions, almost saying “this is how little of our money is going to Europe”, didn’t do any good in the end but hey, still great info to have that all detailed

Risk,

the UK do this as well

They do?

Well shit, they do! Shame they don’t actually tell you about it actively - as you said, they probably don’t want most people to realise.

hello_cruel_world,

That welfare budget is a load of of shit, too. If you have a look at the actual breakdown, most goes on housing (read: private landlords) and(!) pensions.

Some crafty fucker in the dwp had the genius idea of splitting up state and civil service pensions, placing civil service pensions under the welfare group to make the welfare bill higher. Out of the welfare budget I think only 5% of that goes on the unemployed. Out of that 5% only 1% of that 5% figure goes to the long term unemployed. (Being on the dole >6months). Yet they only bang on shit the feckless and workshy…

Risk,

Do you know where I could look for the actual breakdown - I’m not sure what to search for - would it be in the budget documents?

woshang,

Transparency

Jolan,

I’m surprised so much money is going towards disability, what kind of stuff do they get?

hanni,

Helpers, workers, special housing, apecial Beds and equipment. Some have 24/7 care.

hanni,

Some need 24/7 care. Not sure what people in australia are getting.

Jolan,

Yeah that makes sense I guess, I just wasn’t expecting it to be so much. But that’s good that there’s such a good support structure available.

billstickers,
@billstickers@aussie.zone avatar

What @hanni said. But they also split out the unemployment payment as the disability support payment. So it’s all the disabled pension too.

t0lo,

Australian support services can be quite broad. I know a lot of people with minor or self diagnosed issues that receive disability payments

crossover,

My guess is this is mostly support payments for people who are unable to work.

birbboidaseed,

There is a whole department dedicated to the assessment and allocation of funding for the disabled under 65 y.o. If you’re over 65 then it became the aged pension.

Silviecat44,

I love that we have this

Hogger85b, (edited )

Tories in the UK did this and obfuscated to their agenda

They showed "pensions" but that was only public sector worker pensions then added the universal state pension to the "benefits" section to claim we had a bloated benefits budget for scroungers despite them being the party of triple lock pension (linked to greater of wages, inflation and aribitary 2%)

30isthenew29,

Mildly interesting.

Chadsmo,

I wish we had this in Canada.

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

I wish we had it in New Zealand too. I get tired of people's hallucinations about tax.

wolre,

I think this is a pretty good idea, actually. While this kind of information is available in most western places, people usually can’t be bothered to look it up and then have very weird ideas about what their taxes are probably spent on. This would at least help clear some things up.

Etterra,

It must be so nice to see such a small bar for your defense spending.

stappern,

small? its just as much as education!

w2qw,

This is just federal spending. Most educational spending is at the state level.

delta,

I don’t know much but I don’t think Australia works that way? Do they have “states” or some equivalent? Curiously asking.

w2qw,

Yeah we have 6 states. Australia is a federation like the US. There’s no equivalent to this form because we don’t have any state income taxes.

delta,

Ahh I see. Interesting! Thank you for clarifying.

Agent641,

Just wait til we buy the govt some nuc subs in the coming years, then that bar gonna be a long boi

Snipe_AT,
@Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev avatar

what’s your guess as to the percentage of US military spending compared to its tax revenue?

Kecessa,

It’s still 8.6%, that’s quite a lot actually…

Ilovethebomb,

Except we kinda do need our military, especially with how cunty some point Australia’s neighbours can be.

odium,

Yeah, don’t trust them kiwis.

kboy101222,

Should just nuke them now and get it over with honestly

CurlyWurlies4All,
@CurlyWurlies4All@prxs.site avatar

We all know NZ is planning something

MaungaHikoi,

The West Island is welcome to join Aotearoa any time they like 😂

dtxer,

Thats why they lost the Emu war…

jscummy,

See those emus try the same shit in the states and see how that goes

EatMyDick,

Yeah because that shit is totally not needed. AU and EU need to step up their shit. Iran and China sure are.

Quatity_Control,

Except we don’t want to be the USA of the Asia pacific region.

EatMyDick,

You people live in a fantasy world where physical threats do not exist. The US is leading the way protecting Asia and Europe. The entire balkins would be under RU is it wasn’t for that spending.

The spending it’s needed and it’s EU/Asia doesn’t step up it’s game they’ll ultimately be a second tier power to the United States perpetually. Their call I guess 🤷‍♂️.

bigdog_00,

I mean sadly you’re right - people like to hate on our defense spending in the US, but who does the world look towards when Russia invades Ukraine? It sucks that it needs to be this way, but if we don’t have a strong deterrent to other countries then we’re just asking for problems. Look at how aggressive China and Russia have gotten recently, with China inching closer to an invasion of Taiwan. Who’s going to be laughing when the US is there to help Taiwan?

Skellybones,
@Skellybones@lemmy.world avatar

Also isn’t usa paying for other countrys military not sure if this is true

Quatity_Control,

We know more about geo politics in the region than you do. And your drastic oversimplification does not actually result in a reasonable and coherent plan for peace in the Asia pacific region. Again I’ll say, your presence and commentary in this case is misinformed and incorrect.

EatMyDick,

👌

KuroJ,

I’m not sure why your being downvoted, but it’s true. Allied countries of the U.S. do not have to put much towards their military budget do to being able to rely on the U.S.

The U.S. has a strong military presence in the Indo-pacific region and if they didn’t, surely some adversaries would have already been having their way.

It’s unfortunate it comes to this but that’s just the facts.

Version,

People think big military = war, while in fact it‘s the opposite.

Chiron17,

So what they do is take your tax and apportion it over by the Expense and Net Captial Investment Statement in Budget Paper 1 (usually Statement 6).

It’s dead simple to do and really helps communicate where your money is going in general terms.

It was a Joe Hockey initiative.

GroteStreet,

Joe “windmills are utterly offensive” Hockey

As much as I dislike the man, credit where credit is due, I guess. Then again, it was probably the idea of some mid-level employee whose name will be lost in history.

Longmactoppedup,

I thought I read that his original intent was for the breakdown to be less detailed so as to obfuscate the true nature of welfare payments. Then some cheeky ATO staff delivered the more detailed version.

twistedtxb,
@twistedtxb@lemmy.ca avatar

That’s slightly more than mildly interesting

Poot,
@Poot@sh.itjust.works avatar

In the US that would be a list of Congressmen and the Billionaires who own them.

dustojnikhummer,

I think US would have a slightly smaller problem of NOT KNOWING WHERE THE FUCKING CASH IS

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t be out of money if you don’t know where the money is!

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