I avoided it because I’m sick of the white savior/I can’t relate to a movie unless there’s a white, male character as the lead, bullshit that Hollywood pulls. I know it’s based on a book, but I’m just sick of it, and DiCaprio, I’m sick of that guy being in everything.
Clearly you’ve avoided it if you think the film has anything to do with the white saviour trope. There’s no need to get so worked up about something you’ve made up completely.
Whatever the movie is, the trailer sure as heck set the movie up as a tale of a white man defending the tan people. And yeah I get worked up after dealing with decades of racism and erasure of my people
@Son_of_dad I can see why you might think that it's going to be an example of that trope if you only saw the trailer; our expectations tend to colour our interpretation, but no. He's anything but.
Indigenous receptions of this film are very mixed - some positive, some negative, but in a case like this, when there are some Ossage people who consulted on it and are happy with it, I think it's better to keep an open mind instead of dismissing their view out of hand without seeing it.
the fuck are you going on about? who is the “white savior” in this movie?
i just watched the trailer, and jesse plemmons isn’t even in it. he didn’t even show up in the film until near the very end.
go complain about something you actually understand instead of whining about the existence of a movie that very explicitly goes out of its way to not do the things you accuse it of doing.
I’m sick of that guy being in everything.
dicaprio has been in 5 movies over the last decade, i would hardly call that “being in everything”.
The movie is literally about white people abusing the trust of the Osage, scamming and killing them for their land and money. No white saviour in that.
Very interesting. I’m searching around for some type of movie database that can help recommend films by life experience to align with this now to see if I can find something. Super cool.
It might be a mistake by Deadline or they are casting The Authority as the villains of the film which suggests they are taking the place of The Elite, probably drawing from “What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?” The Engineer would then be replacing Menagerie.
and isn’t The Authority another property on the film list?
It is indeed. With the wealth of characters in this film it looks like it will be laying a lot of the foundations for the Gunnverse.
What I was unsure about was how they’d make The Authority work. Gunn knows his comics, so he presumably understands that having the team as part of the main DC Universe just doesn’t work (they are a commentary on the Justice League and have too many analogues). So he either needs to have them in their own universe but using The Bleed to bring them over as needed, possibly in an antagonistic way (at least initially as they are anti-heroes) or he first introduces them as The Elite or a version of it which leaves the door open for a (semi?) self-contained Authority film.
As he knows his comics, and is clearly taking inspiration from the best of them, it shouldn’t be any surprise that he’s eyeing “What’s So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?”
I’m assuming the movie will have to have Jenny Quantum instead of Jenny Sparks since they represent the turn of each century.
I stopped going out of my way to watch trailers after Deadpool where it felt like they’d jammed all the best bits into the trailer and everything else was padding.
I think people over estimate the Marvel brand. You can’t just keep unearthing dozens and dozens of niche characters and comics and expect them all to have an established fan base.
Think, Disney.
Ironman? Yeah no shit. It’s fucking Ironman.
Thor? Duh
Hulk? Yes, but get it right.
Antman? Pushing it but yeah he dope.
Captian America? Might as well said superman.
Gaurdians? Wonderful.
Captain Marvel. You lost me.
Eternals? …
It’s no mystery as to why not every franchise is going to be a hit. Just think about it.
When the first iron man movie was announced, the character was a solid b-lister
The guardians of the galaxy were even more obscure during a comparable timeframe and had a different roster.
So b-listers can be elevated by good movies and at the same time a-listers in the comics can bomb (Thor 2, Thor 4, non-mcu: Spiderman 3)
How well-known a character is in my opinion not the deciding factor for the success of a movie. I’d say the quality of a movie and the ability to build hype (which gets harder with what appears to be superhero fatigue) play a bigger role
Well, guardians of the galaxy had been very obscure, but I am not quite ready to call them e tier.
Remember blade? I didn’t even know it was a comic book character when its success paved the way.
Really, putting the blame on the obscurity of characters is making it too easy and ignores all the fuck-ups around the movies that in my opinion have had a big hand in making them fail (not an exhaustive list):
Taking the worst trait from comicbooks: requiring the audience to have consumed other titles (worst offenders here are probably Dr. Strange 2 and the Marvels which need Wandavision and Ms. Marvel to make sense)
Alienating the (mostly male) audience: a big offender there is She-Hulk
Using fan service and cameos as replacement for good writing
pacing issues and tonal backlash: Thor love and thunder suffered from giving emotional moments not enough time to breath in favour of cramming in more laughs
Also don’t overestimate how many moviegoers are also Comic Fans.
There is two things going on. You have opening night and you have total sales. Marvel has fully saturated Hollywood so they can’t just ride the superhero hype for opening night. If the quality of the film is up to par like you said it can build momentum. What Im getting at is when I look at a Marvel movie you have to offer me something other than a canned action movie. When it comes to interesting characters and stories the well is starting to run dry.
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