Do you know for a fact that it’s bad? Have you seen it? Or are you just making an assumption because it has low box office figures which you are extrapolating as meaning it’s a bad movie? It’s rated above a 6 on IMDB and above 60% on Rotten Tomatoes, so it sounds like a lot of people enjoyed it.
Based on the non-response from the person above, I’m guessing they haven’t seen it either. Most Marvel movies are mixed in terms of reception, and some men, whether they claim it has nothing to do with gender or not, will not go see a superhero movie where women are the heroes. They don’t even hate the idea, they just don’t see “woman movies.” There are an unfortunately large number of men who feel that way.
But then, despite all of the people, all seemingly male, who told me that She-Hulk was terrible and it wasn’t about gender, I thought it was terrific. So what do I know?
Hey you get my upvote. I had a blast with She-Hulk. A lot of Marvel is uneven but enjoyable. I like how, even after the show called out big CGI battles, Marvel still pumped out big CGI battles. Was wildly self-aware and yet… here we are!
I mean, i have been seeing the same damn trailer for it before every movie i’ve seen in theaters for months, and I still didnt realize it was coming out now.
It was a legitimately awful movie. If you asked chatgpt to make you a superhero movie for teen girls and the plot didn’t matter, this is what it would be. I’m hoping that’s the audience they’re trying to pull into the giant universe, because everyone else is going to be left underwhelmed.
Other diagnostics on The Marvels: 65% male leaning, with 45% men over 25, 22% women over 25 (giving it the best grades at 82%), men under 25 at 20%, and women under 25 at 14%.
I think this highlights the issue well. Marvel continues to be popular with primarily men. Disney has tried desperately to attract women by killing off popular male characters and introducing young women. Unfortunately all they’ve achieved is mostly just alienating men. I’ve given up on Marvel entirely.
Going to see it this afternoon with the whole family. Looks like a good time. I’m glad that Kamala is a big part of it. The Mutant saga will likely be where box office reinvigorates. Having her be such a key figure in the early explorations of the X-Men is a perfect introduction. She could definitely be the Jubilee type character for the X-Men saga. If she heads to Xaviers school after Deadpool 3 id lose my mind.
Edit: I just finished the movie. Family had a lot of fun watching. Dynamic between the characters was good. Story actually progressed some of the MCUs overarching plot of incursions. I didn’t expect the post credit scene to bring in what it did, but I goes along with what I was hoping. If you are reluctant about seeing it, go to the adult parlor and have a drink. It’s worth a beverage and the ticket price. More Kamala is on the way and I’m hyped.
I saw the movie a few days ago and while I didn't think it was bad, I'll admit the script is a mess. Some parts are a little hard to follow or poorly explained. Someone either got a bit lazy with the writing or did a poor job cutting it all together.
It will be interesting to see how the post-strike/pandemic era of the MCU plays out. The 2007 strike made for like 5 years of shit movies. The pandemic and this strike were significantly longer and had a much higher toll on every level of movie making. I don’t harp to much on scripts from serialized content, but I do imagine it will get better in time for the X-Men and Fantastic era of the MCU.
It feels like an editing issue. The film was fast paced and a lot of scenes just ask you to assume that they make sense. In truth they probably do, but they need a little bit of explanation.
Let’s talk Flerkins for example. Early in the film Goose eats some bad guys, teleports to Kamala’s living room, then spits them out. No one really comments on it. No one found it weird. We just defeat the bad guys and move on.
Next Goose spits up some science equipment. We learn that they’ve been missing for a while. They look fine but no one mentions that they still work, or we’re otherwise still preserved.
Finally we have the musical Memory scene. Ignore for a moment the eggs that hatched. Ignoring for a moment it happens when they’ve run out escape pods. We have “kittens”, we’ve established that Flerkins can eat people and they can hold what they’ve eaten for a while. So while the solution makes sense, and on paper they’ve earned the moment, it takes a moment to really put it all together. As a result it feels rushed and instead of just enjoying the scene you’re left wondering if it makes sense.
We’re only talking about cutting a few minutes here and a few minutes there, but it adds up.
They love to blame flops like this on things like feminism, but generally it’s just because Disney has no idea what they are doing anymore after killing off the A-listers and then releasing nothing but wet farts for the last five years.
Yeah, I feel like Avengers: Endgame was an ending for the MCU. I’m not complaining, because a good story needs to have an ending, but I’m also not motivated to see superhero movies coming out after Endgame (at least not cosmic-scale superhero movies - I’ll always have a soft spot for Peter Parker).
That and they’ve oversaturated the market and made it hard for non fans to keep up. When you have to watch 2 5-8 hour Disney plus shows just to understand who the characters are in the movie (Maria Rambeau and Kamala Khan) then Disney as a company is probably doing something wrong. Comic people might love it but everyday joes not so much.
Yep. In order to understand this film, you have to have watched the Captain Marvel film, the Wandavision TV series and the Ms. Marvel TV series. Meaning this is basically a way to tie you down to Disney+ so you don’t miss out.
Yeah it’s like the films are kind of safe cash grabs, but then they also have this barrier to entry. Even as a fan of marvel I couldn’t finish all the mini series because some of them just don’t grab me, and then what?
They’ve made it hard for even the die hard fans to keep up.
One of the major reasons I never liked comic books was there was always a hundred different storylines going on. That’s now crept into the MCU and it’s just no longer fun to try to keep up with
Not to mention how expensive it is to go to the movies! For us, this has less to do with how medium the marvel movies have been and more that a single ticket is a month of a streaming service and I already cut all our streaming services. If I decide to splurge, it’s going to be on a month of content, not two hours.
Who asked for this? I also heard they are reshooting the next Capt America, which was almost complete and now moved from 2024 to 2025, to take out a new hero called Sabra, a zionist superhero who works for the Mossad (I am not kidding.) Gosh, I wonder why. Who green-lit this?
This movie was already catching heat because they went with Black Falcon as their next Capt America, instead of, or I don’t know, rebooting Steve Rodgers, the original Capt from decades of comics. This is why we can’t have nice things.
I don’t disagree, there have been more than a few questionable decisions made by Disney execs on the MCU.
But…
I’m pretty sure Sam Wilson has been Captain America in the comics, more than once I think. I don’t think it’s a bad move for them to make this change, especially with how well they wrapped up Steve’s arc in Endgame. Actors age and using canon replacements is a great way to continue a franchise and introduce new stories.
Also: it’s not Black Falcon, it’s just Falcon. Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren’t being racist about it.
This is literally the first I’d heard of the movie. If it’s anything like the other marvel movies, it’ll be overwhelmingly OK (not terrible, not great).
Superhero movies are infantile comfort films, art is supposed to be challenging and interpretable. When you know the ending from the genre it's a bad movie.
Yet pseudo-nerds will sperg out over the meaningless cameos and "cannon implications."
Why only make series, when you can make siries out of movies? right? I get it, there are fans who still follow and watch the movies and series, but for normal people, like me, wont watch all this.
They expect to make money, like they did with the big ones, but IMO it has gone far away from that, the only ones interested are the ones who like this content. In the end, its more like a machine making, where they have to make more movies and more.
The series would have been fine had they not been needed to understanding what is happening in the movies.
Cue me wondering where I’d missed that Elizabeth Olsen is a villain again in Dr Strange 2.
I can deal with watching a movie every few months on the off chance that some of them are entertaining popcorn guff, but I’m not sitting through endless shows where you see 10 hours of characters you don’t care about and their extended families you also won’t care about.
Don’t worry, I watched wandavision and still have no idea why the hell she was like that in MoM. It was extremely clear the writers of WV and MoM never once talked to each other, despite one being a somewhat continuation of the other.
MoM left such a bad taste in my mouth after being the only Phase 5(?) movie I was even remotely interested in that I haven’t bothered going to the theaters for anything marvel since.
I feel like Disney already knew and was expecting this. The original Captain Marvel wasn’t very well received, and they seem to understand now that not everyone wants to consume every piece of MCU media all the time with the new “Spotlight” tag. I expect it’ll get a fast turnaround onto streaming.
I haven't gone to see any movies for a while now. The effort to go to a theatre and all that just feels not worth it. I'd rather wait for the films to be available on something I can watch at home.
I think people over estimate the Marvel brand. You can’t just keep unearthing dozens and dozens of niche characters and comics and expect them all to have an established fan base.
Think, Disney.
Ironman? Yeah no shit. It’s fucking Ironman.
Thor? Duh
Hulk? Yes, but get it right.
Antman? Pushing it but yeah he dope.
Captian America? Might as well said superman.
Gaurdians? Wonderful.
Captain Marvel. You lost me.
Eternals? …
It’s no mystery as to why not every franchise is going to be a hit. Just think about it.
When the first iron man movie was announced, the character was a solid b-lister
The guardians of the galaxy were even more obscure during a comparable timeframe and had a different roster.
So b-listers can be elevated by good movies and at the same time a-listers in the comics can bomb (Thor 2, Thor 4, non-mcu: Spiderman 3)
How well-known a character is in my opinion not the deciding factor for the success of a movie. I’d say the quality of a movie and the ability to build hype (which gets harder with what appears to be superhero fatigue) play a bigger role
Well, guardians of the galaxy had been very obscure, but I am not quite ready to call them e tier.
Remember blade? I didn’t even know it was a comic book character when its success paved the way.
Really, putting the blame on the obscurity of characters is making it too easy and ignores all the fuck-ups around the movies that in my opinion have had a big hand in making them fail (not an exhaustive list):
Taking the worst trait from comicbooks: requiring the audience to have consumed other titles (worst offenders here are probably Dr. Strange 2 and the Marvels which need Wandavision and Ms. Marvel to make sense)
Alienating the (mostly male) audience: a big offender there is She-Hulk
Using fan service and cameos as replacement for good writing
pacing issues and tonal backlash: Thor love and thunder suffered from giving emotional moments not enough time to breath in favour of cramming in more laughs
Also don’t overestimate how many moviegoers are also Comic Fans.
There is two things going on. You have opening night and you have total sales. Marvel has fully saturated Hollywood so they can’t just ride the superhero hype for opening night. If the quality of the film is up to par like you said it can build momentum. What Im getting at is when I look at a Marvel movie you have to offer me something other than a canned action movie. When it comes to interesting characters and stories the well is starting to run dry.
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