Lol, they fired rockets at Israel at 05:42 (ceasefire was scheduled till 07:00) and yesterday 3 people were killed in a terrorist attack that they (proudly) took responsibility for.
Guess we’re due for another apology from the BBC…
Israel killed Palestinians in Gaza who were heading North during the “cease-fire”.
Israel killed Palestinians in the West Bank who they said were Hamas during the “cease-fire”.
Israel never even wanted the cease-fire except that it would lay bare Bibi’s complete lack of giving a shit about the hostages on Hamas’s side if he refused, and he couldn’t afford that either internationally or internally.
Israel never stopped murdering Palestinians in the West Bank, and even shot a bunch of Palestinian civilians who tried to go North during the “cease-fire”.
The cease-fire was Hamas trying to give people as much time to evacuate as they could, because Israel was clear from the beginning that they intended to go back to murdering Palestinians afterwards. And of course Israel is now expanding “operations” in the South, since that’s where the majority of Palestinians are now.
Everyone always says the answer is that the “other side” stop being violent and be nice. It never happens. So my question to the liberals is, if being nice doesn’t work, what’s your answer to the situation? Have Israel disarm and let Hamas murder Israelis with impunity? Have Hamas disarm and have Israel settle palistine with impunity? It’s been 70 years of this. And by 70 I really mean about 7000.
“You see, the birth canal is a tunnel and we all know Hamas is using tunnels to move around without observation. The babies just used tunnels, so they must be Hamas.”
This comes after an order to evacuate a city with >0.7 million inhabitants within 24h without preparation, with broken infrastructure and broken government, with a treat of invasion.
There’s no way this happen without panic, and without people being left behind.
I fear we’re going to hear more horrific stories as the dust settles.
There were many innocent civilians living in Nazi Germany, and a lot of them died in the interest of stopping them.
We try to minimize innocent deaths in war, but when the group you are fighting against uses hospitals as military locations and innocent people as human shields, it becomes difficult to do so
You are being drawn in by Israeli propaganda. Look at more balanced news sources, or just a wider range. The ‘human shield’ myth is particularly awful as it’s being used to defend murdering innocent people.
I’m not. I’m old, and have been following this conflict for decades. Hamas very often targets innocent Israelis in their attacks, and hides behind innocent Palestinians to make it difficult for Israel to target them. You can argue about whether it is justifiable or not that they do this, but there are many, many sources that they do.
I’m also old and have been following this conflict for decades but apparently more balanced sources.
Israel claimed that they were targeting Hamas at Al-Shifa but they positioned snipers who shot doctors and nurses through the windows. If you’re being forced to attack a hospital full of innocent civilians then you would be trying to avoid the innocent civilians, but that’s not what it’s about here.
Same as taking swathes of land since WW2, they are occupying massive areas that they were never given. They’re not ignorant, they know exactly what they’re doing.
There were also horrific war crimes in WW2, including the bombing of civilians. War crimes are war crimes no matter who commits them.
I don't think it's really an appropriate comparison to make, but since you are making it, approximately 0.4% to 0.6% of Germans were killed by bombing in WW2.
The death toll in Gaza is already at 0.75% of the population, and growing.
a lot of them died in the interest of stopping them.
You are conflating innocent people with armed forces in this sentence. My point was that it is not the same "them".
I don’t understand what mother would leave their baby behind while panicking. This is a horrible story that is perhaps more horrible that initially assumed.
@Sina no mother would, and under normal circumstances neither would medical staff. As the article states, staff were pleading for help.
These babies were in an Intensive Care unit. Most were premature babies who were supposed to be in incubators. They are vulnerable and need to be kept warm, may be tube fed or require oxygen. It's difficult for parents, who usually cannot be there all the time.
It is more likely that the mothers were unable to get to the ICU. We do not yet know how many died trying.
The mothers may not even have been alive and medical staff simply can’t evacuate premature babies and all the ICU equipment needed to keep them alive.
This story is absolutely going to be used as “look how inhuman and barbarous these Palestinians are, good thing we’re genociding them” and your comment is exactly what they’re looking for.
But the reality is that if you shoot and bomb civilians, then threaten to bomb the hospital they’re being treated at, this could happen anywhere in the world.
They weren’t leaving babies to die and rot 6 months ago because they weren’t being shelled and shot at and if they weren’t being shelled and shot at now, they wouldn’t have left those babies either.
Worked at the paper for 18 years, good. But it’s owned by Alibaba Holdings in China, bad. The paper claims they’re in the contact with family and have confirmed she’s safe and taking time for personal issues, good. But her friends, colleagues, and Hong Kong Journalists Association remain concerned for her safety, bad.
I don’t know anything about all the elements at play here but it certainly sounds suspicious.
Why are they in contact with the family and not with the reporter directly? It’s not like we are 1823 and communication has to be sent on precious missives traversing dangerous seas.
Theoretically, should an emergency occur, I may contact one close acquaintance, like a family member, and ask that they notify anyone else who needs to know, like work, so that I don’t have to provide updates through multiple channels all the time. Or I don’t feel like answering questions about something private to someone, like my boss, who has no business with the details.
That part doesn’t strike me as suspicious, but the persisting concern from friends and colleagues (as well as the potential unreliability of the paper’s representatives) does.
It says she previously worked at the Apple Daily… wasn’t that an “”“extremist”“” paper linked to the detention of that one lady for screaming at an apple in public?
It came as Gaza’s health ministry said that at least 15,899 Palestinians, 70% of them women or under 18s, have now been killed in Israeli air and artillery strikes on the enclave since Oct. 7. Thousands more are missing and feared buried in rubble.
Whatever this is, it’s kind of walking like a genocide and quacking like a genocide.
Wasn’t the plan to send all 2 million Gaza residents to refugee camps on the Sinai, where Israel would have to control and reeducate them for at least a generation?
I guarantee you every member of Congress used their classified briefings on Israel to make changes in their stock portfolio, and it’s not even illegal.
If you’re trying to make a statement about Palestinian sympathizers, you’re off the mark. Few people are defending Hamas’ attacks, but there are a lot of people criticizing Israel’s war crimes.
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