Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

the front page is now like half articles on this currently, so it’s probably time for a megathread because none of us want to keep track of 12 threads on this subject and all the resulting comments. only major subsequent developments (for example, boots on the ground; pronunciations by governments; that sort of stuff) will get their own thread. otherwise please post stuff in here for the time being. any threads not meeting this criteria will be locked and removed. thank you in advance for your cooperation.

sdx,

Video of a Hamas rocket launch and subsequent IDF strike

Many videos out of the Gaza strip have the constant hum of surveillance drones in the background, it’s interesting to see the drone’s perspective for a change.

Seathru,

it’s interesting to see the drone’s perspective for a change.

The Russia/Ukraine conflict has really shown the drone’s place on the battlefield. It’s awesome; and terrifying.

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

NBC News now reporting the following: Documents exclusively obtained by NBC News show that Hamas created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth center in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa’ad, to “kill as many people as possible,” seize hostages and quickly move them into the Gaza Strip.

Seathru,

What a convenient find.

dark_stang,
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US State Dept. Officials Told Not to Use Terms ‘De-Escalation/Cease-Fire’ About Gaza - just… big sigh.

According to HuffPost, which reviewed official emails, “State Department staff wrote that high-level officials do not want press materials to include three specific phrases: ‘de-escalation/cease-fire,’ ‘end to violence/bloodshed,’ and ‘restoring calm.’”

speaker_hat,

Document of Hamas that ordered the murder of civilians and their kidnapping:

https://lemmy.one/pictrs/image/45cb1854-aac4-4606-9b35-b696ba979eaf.jpeg

Source: Hebrew, English (auto-translated)

It can’t be fake because they literally did it (babies, children, women and elderlies)

hassanmckusick,

https://lemmy.discothe.quest/pictrs/image/f23de24b-39b9-4e05-95e5-4b6455d41eb5.png

It can’t be fake because I literally did it (tall man, hat, theater)

t3rmit3,

Good thing no one I’ve seen is arguing that Hamas is good.

And also a good thing that Palestinians != Hamas.

hassanmckusick,

I have heard rumblings of people who believe that Hamas did not even attack and this was a false flag.

Prob propaganda but it def makes you think. I mean Israel did know about the attack ahead of time supposedly. How did Hamas get through the iron dome? Did anyone see where they went after? How did that girl get from the back of a Hamas truck to a hospital? Why haven’t I seen many photos videos from the ground?

This bad faith “evidence” just fuels the conspiracy.

t3rmit3,

No one is seriously questioning the authenticity of this attack, though I would not be surprised if Bibi knew of it (since, you know, they were literally told about it beforehand) and allowed it to happen to both avoid his legal troubles and to give his ultranationalist party and military a pretense for driving out or killing Palestinians.

Pearl Harbor and 9/11 weren’t fake either, and both were used to excuse atrocities too.

hassanmckusick,

I just wanna chime in and say I don’t believe it either.

I bring it up because it’s the only reason that I could think of that someone is out here posting “proof” of the orders.

At some point I’m sure we’ll see a blurred video of murder and then someone pointing at the people on the screen and being like “we know that guy, that’s Hamas s Samah, he lives at 123 Westy B. He is a Hamas and this is him murdering. Here’s the body of the victim later at the morgue.”

Thats the kind of evidence I “want” (I don’t want a video of murder but like, identifying people in the video and find out who they are and like… hard evidence)

But the “evidence” I was responding to is something I could forge from half a world away

HotChocoBum,

It can’t be fake because they literally did it (babies, children, women and elderlies)

This is literally a circular argument.

ram,
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Gaza: Nowhere to go, as humanitarian crisis reaches ‘dangerous new low’ ^(^^direct^^)^

The UN chief told reporters outside the Security Council the world had to unite around the principle of protecting civilians and “finding a lasting solution to this unending cycle of death and destruction.”

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

kicking things off: Israel is creating a shit ton of collateral damage. MSF says they’re being given just hours to evacuate their patients in Gaza before bombing continues:

it’s also just come out that an Israeli strike in Lebanon killed a Reuters journalist:

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

this is also a kind of insane detail to how bad the Israeli government has been handling the situation so far: The president of the United States has spoken with the families of Israelis whose loved ones are being held captive in Gaza. The prime minister of Israel has yet to do so. Make of it what you will.

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