Sony is going to remove certain purchased titles from user libraries

As always, the paying user has the worst experience. “Purchase” a show, can only watch on a certain console of a certain brand, no transfers, no backups, then it suddenly disappears from the library and nothing can be done.

If media companies insist on draconian DRM, then they should pay for full refunds to their loyal customers when one day they decide to delist that specific show.

DestroyerOfWorlds,

just got my multi season science fiction show downloaded via the salty seas. apparantly it would cost $50-85 to download or stream from the “legit” vendor. A vendor that bought the rights and closed the ability to access previous seasons. So, not going well for the loyal customers.

andrew_bidlaw, (edited )
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Some series have a weird pattern of deletion.

LA Ink | Season 1

LA Ink | Season 6

LA Ink | Season 7

Lolwut. Does it mean 2-5 are still availiable or they never were?

It’s all Discovery Channel’s properties, and it’s a good day to rewatch their classics and seed them.

Lath,

Whoever wrote that list probably isn't being paid enough.

DebatableRaccoon,

God, I hope these bastards get sued 'cause little doubt they won’t be refunding the poor schmos who’ve just been robbed of their property.

Stretch2m,

I’m sure they covered this in the terms of service that they know no one ever reads.

tryptaminev,

In many countries that wont work. The Terms of service need to only include reasonable and expectable clauses, as they are not negotionable.

And “purchase doesnt mean ownership, we take it from you anytime we want” is neither reasonable nor expectable.

Also this should run under criminal fraud imo. The customers were deliberately deceived by the term “purchase” into believing they would be granted ownership.

prole, (edited )

That argument might fly in the EU, but in the current US political climate? Not so sure. Hopefully they’ll keep making laws with actual teeth to drag these multinational corporations to change things that may lower their bottom line

ddkman,

To be fair, Sony might go for that. This is incredibly embarrassing for them as well, and it does erode the trust in their service which is really important for a marketplace like this. Sony will be handing out coupons probably, but this is still damage to their brand.

SendMePhotos,

If I purchased it, do I get store credit for losing what I bought?

empireOfLove,

lol

DebatableRaccoon,

That’s funny. You should do stand-up

Frozengyro,

Yes, but since it’s “used”, you get .1 percent what you paid for it.

7u5k3n,

It loses 70% of it’s value as soon as you drive watch it off the lot

Tygr,

If I’m to believe I own the crap I buy that’s digital delivery, then if they want to take it back, they need to buy it from me at my price.

interceder270,

“As always, the paying user has the worst experience.”

So true.

kindenough, (edited )
@kindenough@kbin.social avatar

"We sincerely thank you for your continued support."

As in stfu and keep giving us money?

DebatableRaccoon,

Looks perfectly translated to me

metaStatic,

if buying isn't owning piracy isn't stealing

DebatableRaccoon,

Fairer words have never been spoken

aldalire,

I wish u could retweet a lemmy comment. Well said.

metaStatic,

welcome to the fediverse. Boost = retweet ;)

cupcakezealot,
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technically you can since lemmy, kbin, and mastodon all use activitypub :P

aldalire,

How tho. I use the Voyager app for Lemmy (iOS)

JokeDeity,

The Voyager community (I use it too), JUST had a post from the developer that he added a feature to post comments as pictures, but I don’t actually know how to do it.

Septimaeus,
JokeDeity,

Niiiice, thank you!

anothermember,

Not within Lemmy, but if you were on, for example, a federated Mastodon instance it’s perfectly possible to boost that comment that would appear like a retweet to Mastodon users.

cupcakezealot,
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you can technically follow lemmy users in mastodon. in megalodon (or whatever your client is), just search for the lemmy handle. their posts are toots and their comments are replies

spader312,

Mind = blown, I didn’t know Lemmy could talk to mastadon

Untitled_Pribor,

You can on /kbin

netchami,
Sterben,
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That’s one reason why Piracy will always exist, am I right?

spacecowboy,

It’s why it must exist.

DeathWearsANecktie,

Fucking assholes. This is why piracy is justifiable, and in some cases, even necessary.

Scrof,

Modern consoles are a scam.

Zink,

I still like having a console strictly for games, but not for media stuff. Plus since it’s an Xbox, you can subscribe to Game Pass and treat every game as a rental.

That doesn’t do anything to help game preservation though, which sucks. But between the sheer volume of games and the “every game is a rental” attitude, I treat new games as a one-time experience that I probably won’t care about returning to.

Fortunately though, the games I care most about having access to forever are easily backed up and can be played with an emulator if necessary.

interceder270,

Yeah, I stopped buying’em when they started charging for 2nd internet.

Fucking rubes ruin everything I swear lol.

spacecowboy,

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Sony kind of has their hands tied on this one. The shows they’re delisting (or are not able to relicense) kind of get to take their IP off of the system, no?

russjr08,
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I imagine that is the case, however they could refund it given the situation.

I get the feeling they won’t allow refunds.

spacecowboy,

True, but I doubt any giant corp entity would do refunds in this day and age.

Not defending Sony, just saying this is SOP, as shitty as it is.

hitmyspot,

If they didn’t have a licence to host it in perpetuity, they shouldn’t have sold it in the first place.

Yes, they should pull it if they legally have to. That’s following the law. However, they should refund consumers in full or ensure that they continue to have the media without restrictions.

Blue_Morpho,

More than refund should be legally due. The cost to repurchase the product is what is due.

Yoruio,

nothing is legally due, Sony more than likely has clauses in their ToS that say they can remove access to content for whatever reason.

Morally fucked up, but legally fine.

Blue_Morpho,

Everything was once “legally fine” until a court ruled otherwise.

Shrinkwrap licenses were once “legally fine”.

AceBonobo,

Discovery Entitlements Affected Titles

As of 31 December 2023, due to our content licensing arrangements with content providers, you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed from your video library.

We sincerely thank you for your continued support.

Thank you,

PlayStation Store

interceder270,

LOL

brygphilomena,

Turns out you people didn’t actually purchase it.

I wonder if anywhere in the “purchase” terms they included “while Sony holds the license to distribute.”

I hate that “purchases” people make are restricted per platform. If I “purchase” a specific title it should be available on any and all platforms that serve that content. No one should be asked to purchase it on Sony. Apple, Netflix, Amazon, or whatever other shitty streaming service comes out.

As much as I think nfts are fucking retarded, this could be one of the few cases where that stupid digital receipt might make sense.

NoIWontPickaName,

Y’arr Matey🏴‍☠️

Chetzemoka,

My understanding was this was the actual intended use case for NFTs. To allow you to properly own a digital item. The fact that it got applied to a stupid fad right out the gate doesn’t change the fact that it should actually be used to allow us to own things again.

Uranium3006,
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NFTs don't solve the actual problem, which is that paying money doesn't legally come with a warranty for accessability of the thing you bought. The law should guarantee the right to access anything purchased or marketed similarly for a given period of years with the right to either a Refund or a DRM free download option if said access is no longer offered for any reason, and mandatory cultural preservation of said media as a precondition to legally profit off of it or enforce copyright using the court system

conciselyverbose,

Absolutely insane.

I can understand extreme cases, like some sort of disputed IP where their contact to sell the content turns out not to be with the actual rights holder, resulting in no longer serving the content (with an unconditional full refund). But past that they should be legally required to host the content until the heat death of the universe.

SamXavia,
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Yeah this is one of the reasons I've been slowly moving my gaming time over to Steam as they very rarely do stuff like this and if they delist the game, if you've already purchased the game you can still play it 99.99% of time. Sad to see Playstation go down this route.

flames5123,

This is all movie/show content. It’s still BS, but it’s licensed TV/movie content that’s the problem. The dumb laws we have really are the problem.

UrPartnerInCrime,
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  • Klear,

    Your point?

    Grunt4019,

    Unfortunately it’s the same situation on steam. You are only buying licenses to games you don’t actually own it, they can be taken away at any time with no recourse. Steam might be doing good now in this regard but it’s hard to say if it will stay like this forever.

    Mnemnosyne,

    The day Gabe Newell no longer owns Valve/Steam things will begin to change, I’m sure.

    sir_reginald,
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    Steam is the same. It’s just a license to play the game. GOG is better in this regard.

    Womble, (edited )

    Kinda, but its not black and white. For a start steam has a much longer track record of nearly 20 years not doing this, I’ve heard of them de-listing games and not allowing them to be sold any more but never of revoking games that have been sold. Secondly there are many games on steam that stream cant just revoke, games that use no DRM or DRM that isnt integrated into steamworks they cant just delete if you back it up.

    But that being said there is the possibility of something like this happening on steam, which is why I’m glad there is still an active game piracy scene even if I dont use it any more.

    Lipriv30,

    How do you back up a drm free steam game on steam deck?

    Womble,

    I dont have one, but I’m pretty sure you can drop to a desktop that you can do whatever you want with the files on the system just like any other linux distro.

    ultratiem, (edited )
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    Give it another 10 years, you won’t “own” anything. It’ll be “licensed.” Weird tho. Digital content is endless. But you can’t consume it into extinction; physical things are finite, but we’re like here take it! It’s yours! Call a cop or shoot anyone trying to take it.

    Seems backwards to me.

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