It's funny how google pretends the music on YouTube isn't straight up piracy and everyone just goes along with it

Most people have extremely weird ideas of what’s considered piracy and what isn’t. Downloading a video game rom is piracy, but if you pay money to some Chinese retailer for an SD card containing the roms, that’s somehow not piracy. Exploiting the free trial on a streaming site by using prepaid visa cards is somehow not piracy either. Torrenting an album is piracy, but listening to a bootleg on YouTube isn’t.

YouTube noticed this at some point and is now happy to let everyone know how much pirated music is available on their site. One of their main points for shilling YouTube premium is how their music catalogue is way better than Spotify. Of course the piracy site has more. That’s always how it works. Spotify actually has to license the music on their platform and is subject to copyright law. They can’t just get the Neil Young discography from soulseek one day and wait until his estate notices, facing no repercussions whatsoever aside from agreeing to a takedown request. Imagine if Pirate Bay or Napster were considered completely above-board businesses just because they took down torrents if explicitly requested by the copyright holders.

Not that I’m complaining especially when a lot of the music on youtube isn’t publicly accessible anywhere else. It’s just been extremely strange to see this go from an “open secret” to something they’re shouting from the rooftops and face no repercussions for. In the future I want everything to be like that and I’d rather keep youtube how it is than see them get the punishment that by all rights they should be getting. It’s just so strange that this is the position things have ended up in.

Note: The following text is intentional abuse of the tagginator bot. Fuck you.

1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi,

Is my understanding correct that Youtube only cares about paying the music right holders? (Because those complains the loudest?) That is, if someone creates an AMV by combining audio and visuals from different sources and uploads it to Youtube, Youtube only gives the monetize profit to the song owner, but not the visuals rights owners?

veniasilente,

What’s your beef with the tagginator bot? It’s certainly better than the reddit repost bots, right?

dangblingus,

As long as they get to profit from it and not you, then it’s not piracy for them. If a record label wanted to sue Google, they would have a hell of a time.

drunkensailor, (edited )
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lol good points and so true. reading this just makes me think of the old quote If the penalty for a crime is a fine, that law only exists for the lower classes. When I think of record labels and big film companies, let’s just say that the first thing that comes to mind isn’t starving artists but coastal elitists getting pissy bc they can’t charge people even more.

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

they have a deal with Vevo i think

JokeDeity,

China has the right ideas on copyright. I don’t give two shits if someone steals my music from YouTube, I make it for the joy of making it.

ErwinLottemann,

i guess you also have a different job that you rely on for food and shelter?

JokeDeity,

I have a different job, but it hardly affords me food and shelter. If I didn’t live with two other people I’d be homeless and I never have enough to eat properly.

WarmApplePieShrek,

We need socialism now.

Magnus,

No idea if you have ever uploaded to youtube but I can’t upload audio of my dick slapping my ankle without Disney or universal claiming royalties.

bionicjoey,

Tbf Walt Disney himself invented the sound of a dick slapping an ankle

Canadian_Cabinet,

It was the last thing he did before being frozen

Lifebandit666,

Let it go

Kolanaki, (edited )
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Lets go of dick

Dick slaps ankle

CrayonRosary, (edited )

You’re missing some key facts:

  1. A lot of music on YouTube is fully licensed and uploaded by the owners or Google themselves. Like VEVO music, for instance.
  2. Google runs a content match algorithm on all uploads to detect music and movies. If you upload more than four seconds of a song, Google will detect it and transfer all monitization of that upload to the rights holder. This is why music documentaries like Trash Theory only have frustratingly short clips of the music they are talking about, and why channels like Techmoan, which documents weird music formats and playback devices, can also only share extremely short clips.

The rights holders are getting any and all money on music uploaded to YouTube, and your entire premise is flawed.

mctoasterson,

And there are notorious “blockers” - publishers and bands who copyright strike and remove all third party videos using their music. Reference Rick Beatos various videos and rants on this topic.

brax,

That’s the thing that drives me fucking nuts. Use 10 seconds of a song in your 10 minute video, and they get all the money for your work. They should get whatever the percent of your video is that their song occupies at best. If you’re talking/acting over top of their music, then you’re splitting that percentage in half.

seaturtle,

Do they still do takedowns for videos based on that content IDing if the video isn’t even monetized in the first place?

Like, I know youtubers who try to make money hate this, but what about youtubers who aren’t in it for the money but just want to throw content on the platform? Can stuff like AMVs actually stay up?

Because, frankly, I’ve found that it’s been pretty easy to dodge YouTube ads, by means of uBlock Origin.

lud,

If I recall correctly, the copyright holders can decide what they want to happen automatically.

The automatic options are something like:

  • Disable all ads.
  • Enable ads (if disabled) and take all (?) money.
  • Mute/remove the infringing content.

They can also do stuff like issue copyright strikes but I believe that those have to be done manually since they can be so destructive to creators.

Tom Scott made a really good video about how copyright works in general and how it works on YouTube, I highly recommend it. youtu.be/1Jwo5qc78QU

KonekoSalem,

They don’t take it down often. But non-monetized videos will get set as monetized, ads will be added, and the profits go to the Copyright holder.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

I would also add that google very much understands the implications of streaming music.

This is speculated to be why you can’t get Youtube Premium without Youtube Music (in most countries?). Because all the license holders would lose their minds if they weren’t getting a cut (and apparently the ad revenue from music videos isn’t enough).

Adalast,

His logic chain may have been flawed for his argument, but his premise is not wrong. YouTube providing a distribution platform for any type of music video means that content holders are putting music on there and suffering the same rules as anyone else. To the best of my knowledge, Google does not pay any additional license fees to content owners should they elect to upload a music video to the platform. The owner makes ad revenue just like all other creators. This effectively circumvents the costly licensing agreements that the likes of Spotify and Pandora have to enter into.

trafficnab,

I don’t know if they’re still there but it used to be if you looked at the description of any officially uploaded music on youtube, there’d be a laundry list of music rights groups for like a dozen countries/areas

Google doesn’t just get blanket rights to stream a song, they have to license the rights to play that particular song separately for each individual country where they want to stream it

mindbleach,

Paying money is technically bootlegging, which I would argue is massively worse than piracy. But only because piracy is whatever.

GreyFalcon,

I like your style! Keep it up! We live in a world where people are increasingly choosing to live in delusion.

MonkderZweite,

Who cares? Google has a legal team for such things, i don’t.

clearleaf,

Who cares

Me. We have a living breathing example of why public file sharing is a good thing that exposes music to new audiences and I want people to recognize that.

bruhduh, (edited )
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

I mean… It’s been like that through all humanity history, if big guy says black is white, then black is white it is, remember school if you want to examples of that, also another examples can be found in politics of all countries throughout history

Facebones,

I caught a petty larceny charge and couldn’t find work for like 7-8 years (turns out petty larceny is considered “relevant” by basically everyone) after missing a $5 pair of sunglasses at self checkout on a $1-200 purchase, because the LP person lied when the judge said he saw no intent and told him “I watched him remove the tag and that’s intent if I ever saw it.”

Mind you, this is AFTER she provided a picture of the “stolen merchandise” with the tag still attached - Doesn’t matter because LP is considered a “professional witness” so if they say the sky is neon green, legally the sky is neon green. 🙄

seaturtle,

So they lied in court and got away with it? Sheesh.

Facebones,

Yep. Doesn’t matter that she contradicted her own evidence. She’s a “Professional Witness” so her word overrule ms anything else.

The way it was explained to me, “as a loss prevention employee she has no stakes in whether you get charges or not” but idk I imagine if you’re an LP person who doesn’t get any convictions you probably won’t have a job long. 🤷

seaturtle,

“no stakes” my ass.

WarmApplePieShrek,

They’re powerful. You’re not. Facts don’t matter. Power matters. In piracy, we have the power.

amio,

Well, this is certainly one of the takes of all time.

Scrollone,

I can’t speak for other countries, but in Italy YouTube pays a lot of money to the Italian copyright holders company for all the potentially pirated videos uploaded by its users.

SendMePhotos,

Wtf is the tagginator bot?

nutbutter,

Not sure, but I think its purpose is to get get these posts appear in meta search engine results (SEO).

noahimesaka1873,
@noahimesaka1873@lemmy.funami.tech avatar

AFAIK it’s for discovery on Mastodon via hashtag.

Uiop,

afaik… as far as i know… hm…

afaik these acronyms are getting more insane asap fr fr

TopRamenBinLaden, (edited )

ASAP was first used in the US military in the 1950s, and AFAIK originated on usenet and has been used since the 80s. If you are 35 or under, both of these acronyms have existed since before you were born fr fr.

Sanyanov, (edited )

AFAIK is a very established and widely recognized acronym with decades of history. Just saying.

SendMePhotos,

IYKYK W/E IG. SMH.

Uiop,

Thats the spirit!

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