muzzle,

That paper is the scientific version of the old Tom Leherer song!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6qFG0uop9k

pinkdrunkenelephants,

They need to make graphs of the social relationships of every major social group. For science

mmuser,
@mmuser@lemmy.world avatar

ience_memes@mander.xyz-10839295 They live in their own world…

iAvicenna,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

some of the subtrees here made me say “wtf is going on here”

Infamousblt,
@Infamousblt@hexbear.net avatar

This looks similar to my polycule diagram tbh

Fleur__,
@Fleur__@lemmy.world avatar

Why are there 2 horizontal parallel lines instead of just one with a 2 bellow it?

TheOakTree,

The one guy who got with 9 people… is he a liar or a rizzler?

SubArcticTundra,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

I imagine they has to be confirmed from both sides…

exocrinous,

They don’t.

rimjob_rainer,

I wonder how many lied

essteeyou, (edited )

They’d have to lie about who they slept with, and I expect the other person might have something to say about that if it was not true.

I wonder if they verified each claim from both sides.

Edit: it’s a scientific paper, so there’s no need to wonder!

In fig. 2, and in all discussions presented here, all romantic and sexual relationship nominations linking students are included, whether or not the nomination from i to j was reciprocated with a nomination from j to i.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

whether or not the nomination from i to j was reciprocated with a nomination from j to i.

Oh, so there was no bullshit filter

rimjob_rainer, (edited )

Then it’s certainly mostly bullshit. Male students tend to massively exaggerate when they tell stories about how many sexual relationships they had. Source: I was a male student.

jabrd,

There is not nearly as much gay sex on this chart as I would’ve guessed. Just the one bi girl hookup in the second from the right tree at the top. Actually is that a threesome or do you think they just all screwed at different points in time?

ProfessorOwl_PhD,
@ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net avatar

There’s a gay hookup on the branches just to the left, too.

aaaaaaadjsf, (edited )
@aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net avatar

Well it is a 20 year old study. Attitudes towards LGBT people were much less accepting back then. The participants in this study are now between the ages of 34-38 most likely. Probably a lot of people in the closet and keeping their relationships discreet or not having relationships, and some that haven’t realised that they’re gay yet.

If you did this study today, there would be a lot more gay sex, but probably less than we’d guess still. LGBT people are still a minority after all.

Liz, (edited )

The relationships were from 1993-1995. Everyone in the graph is in their late 40s. So everything you said about attitudes is probably just more true.

mvirts,

A missed opportunity to arrange the graph in an artistic fashion. 😹

Lucien,
@Lucien@hexbear.net avatar

Why is one ring of the fuckgraph shaped like a prolapsed anus?

sourquincelog,

If you mean top right, it seems like that’s the #1 pussy getter

Lucien,
@Lucien@hexbear.net avatar

Being the Midwest, that’s the quarterback for sure

antonim,
jballs,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s like the Where’s Waldo of gay sex.

exocrinous,

I only found one, thanks

jol,

And those are the few bisexuals. Because the gays… Well those are a complete graph basically.

TheDoozer,

It’s interesting that only one out of the lot of them was (at least within the last 6 months) gay. All the rest with same-sex relations were bisexual (at least within the last 6 months).

Mubelotix,
@Mubelotix@jlai.lu avatar

I might be explained by the fact that it’s a lot harder to find a partner if you are gay and most of them outsource their search

thegiddystitcher,
@thegiddystitcher@lemm.ee avatar

Probably more just that this was the 90s

nbafantest,

What does that mean?

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Get a girl to get a dude for you, or vice versa

jak,

There’s also two male students between 4 o’clock and 5 o’clock on the ring, but I don’t actually see the connecting line

Schmoo,

There are 6 people who’ve had gay sex that I could find and all but one of them are bi (or at least bi-curious). That seems like a statistical anomaly.

antonim,

It’s a 90s high school, somewhat rural and religious, according to the article. Either there really were few homosexual relationships there, or the students didn’t want to reveal them.

flying_sheep,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

You think?

I think people feel liberated to say they’re gay these days, so there are much more people claiming to be gay than in previous decades. On the other hand, there’s still a lot of homophobes and also quite some biphobes around, so there’s probably a lot of bi people that present as hetero or even gay.

I’d assume that most people are at least a little bi, and that they’ll try that out in high school even if they later decide they won’t pursue it.

jjjalljs,

Not long ago I saw a woman’s profile on tinder in NYC that said “No bi men”. I guess it’s good that she put her phobia right out front like that.

jak, (edited )

I’m a 90s kid, with a stepsister the same age (who grew up in a Massachusetts college town, at that). When I was in college, I dropped my then boyfriend’s ex’s name in a conversation with my dad and stepsister (he was out already and didn’t make a secret of anything, he was cool with it, I swear). My stepsister asked all shocked if I knew he was bi when we started dating and then explained that she’d never date a bi guy, because she could never “be sure”. My dad made a boomery joke and said something noncommittally biphobic.

I’m so grateful I had that conversation before I came out to my family. I’m bi and an afab egg. I just married a bi man, and I told him pretty early on that I don’t know what the situation with my gender is yet. His response was “that’s why we date bi people, we like all the situations,” which had never occurred to me (sometimes I’m dumb), but it was a perfect level of humor and acceptance for the moment.

I’m sorry, this was a super long and mostly irrelevant comment. I intended to agree that biphobia is present in the people and places you’d least expect, even when straight up homophobia isn’t (stepsister was a member of the gsa and loved pride parades)

nixcamic,

afab egg

I know what both of these words mean separately, but together I’m lost. Was egg a typo?

jak, (edited )

I’m like 90% sure I’m a trans dude, but I’m not quite there yet (I’m immigrating and in grad school and just don’t have the time or security rn to do a deep self analysis, plus I think I’d be a much less attractive man. I know that’s less important for men, but it feels like I’d be shooting myself in the foot. Also, my husband loves how I smell and taking hormones might change it to something he didn’t like as much, which I would hate). Therefore, I haven’t hatched yet.

Egg just basically means “pre-trans”

lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/egg_irl

/c/egg_irl for examples

Revonult,

He is not saying anything about it being weird there are gay or bisexual relationships. Just that every instance of a homosexual relationship is also bisexual.

Like its interesting there are no purely homosexual relationships as you would expect from an accurate sampling

flying_sheep,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

You misunderstood:

  • I didn’t imply that he is homophobic or biphobic
  • I think it’s possible that this is a more accurate sampling, as I think that bi people are underrepresented in common statistics.
Schmoo,

That’s why this was interesting to me. I myself am bi and that has not been my experience. Most gay men I encounter are fully gay, and I’ve only ever met 2 other bi people in my life.

flying_sheep,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

Are they fully gay, or did they embrace the acceptance of a biphobic culture by leaning into their gay side?

I’m not devaluing their choices, I’m just saying that people sometimes shut doors out of choice, not because there’s no world in which they’d take them.

PunnyName,

A striking lack of single dots that should be hovering around these.

essteeyou,

Would you consider that a romantic or sexual relation? Or both?

lolcatnip,

The lines are relations. The dots are people.

tja,
@tja@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yes, but the graphic is titled romantic and sexual relations. And as you deduced correctly, single dots are not relations.

mkhopper,
@mkhopper@lemmy.world avatar

Depends on which hand you use.

Fridgeratr,
breadsmasher,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

I was just about to point that out!

What a machine

RIPandTERROR,
@RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

aph apparently is real

ImplyingImplications,
SubArcticTundra,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

Alpha male

littletranspunk,

Unstable and unsuitable for release to the public?

smut,

Scientifically baseless?

littletranspunk,

Yes, but I used programming lingo. Definitely a better definition for “alpha” when combined with “male”.

I like your energy though

MapleEngineer,
littletranspunk,

They’re probably in touch with their emotions and express them in a healthy way and aren’t afraid of intimacy outside of sex and romantic relationships

pigup,

Would have been pretty cool for me if my parents weren’t traumatized angry damaged people https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5eca57ac-9ec6-447f-8fef-2b919f4455a2.jpeg

yokonzo,

Remember these are high schoolers we’re talking about

littletranspunk,

High schoolers can have emotional maturity too

yokonzo, (edited )

Of course! But in my experience it’s not really the norm, highschool is a very dramatic, hormony place, and I’d be willing to bet that blue dot was more likely just the school “dreamboat” which kids of that Age tend to find more desirable than emotional maturity

bane_killgrind,

This is the 1% privileged guy.

I want to see the dots with no connections on this same diagram.

littletranspunk,

Well, regardless of how we want to analyze it, we don’t have the information to determine the reasons for any of these relationships objectively.

blanketswithsmallpox,

Can we objectively say that your mom was in the middle of all of them?

littletranspunk,

Take all the shots you want at her. She’s with the guy who sexually assaulted my sister while she was underage.

I revel in all the negative shots at her

ColeSloth,

Right ;-)

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