This is a chance for any users, admins, or developers to ask anything they’d like to myself, @nutomic , SleeplessOne , or @phiresky about Lemmy, its future, and wider issues about the social media landscape today....
I think one thing you’re missing here is that under such a system the defaults would likely become your locally hosted /c/books rather than the largest one. Even still you’d probably see posts from the largest books communities because /c/books@your_instance follows multiple /c/books@big_instance. Community blocking would likely still work as it currently does so any books communities that you were not fond of could still be blocked.
There is still the issue of where do you post and I think the answer looks something like:
Post in /c/books@your_instance if you want to talk to your neighbors
Post in /c/books@big_instances if you want to talk to everybody
Which is more or less how most people would decide where to post book stuff anyway.
The Lemmy devs operate lemmy.ml, but it’s far from being the most active one (it’s currently the 5th): lemmyverse.net/?order=active_day
Large instances admins? The most active communities are spread across dbzer0, lemmy.world, programming.dev, lemm.ee, feddit.de, etc.: lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active
The main difference of Lemmy compared to Reddit is the ability that communities have to walk away, as I explained in another comment: discuss.online/comment/5393546
Is it always weird on new instances, I’m seeing posts from a random amount of days ago, no votes and no comments. Also, is it possible to federate with communities automatically or do I have to search for them all one at a time to add them to my instance?
It wasn’t but now it does I guess. I just searched a community didn’t existed locally on my instance and I got same result as you. No votes, no comments. I think this is enough to open an issue in the Lemmy repo.
I’ve been grappling with a concern that I believe many of us share: the lack of privacy controls on Lemmy. As it stands, our profiles are public, and all our posts and comments are visible to anyone who cares to look. I don’t even care about privacy all that much, but this level of transparency feels to me akin to sharing my...
The admin of Blahaj is openly interested in exposing trans people’s alt accounts and outing them on their mains. And somehow it’s the biggest trans instance. We need a community and admin reaction in favour of defederating people who do that.
it should be more hands-off for the user and the server should silently just do the thing to get the instanced community before sending data back to the client
Understanding how much data it might be potentially requesting, I’d even accept a “please wait while we load this community” screen that then redirects to the community once its been loaded onto your instance
Like Trainguyrom wrote, you’re probably the first user on your instance trying to access it. Try the link again. It’s the proper way to link to communities using Lemmy. Your link doesn’t give people on other instances the easy option to subscribe to the community.
EDIT: Interestingly enough it looks like someone went through the first page of my profile and downvoted each comment of mine. Hmmm, how very strange ;P
Thanks. But how do I find these good instances in the first place?! I think this is a big barrier to Lemmy adoption, it’s too difficult for newbies to get setup and find communities they are interested in.
I think you don’t really grasp the concept of a hivemind, where users of a platform tend to have collective set of views deemed acceptable and unacceptable by the community. It doesn’t necessarily make them wrong, it just means that it is a view or opinion that runs contrary to that of the community. Reddit was a shit show for that (and I know you came from there due to your use of karma), and Lemmy has it too. The entire purpose of the up vote/downvote system is to increase/decrease comment ranking based on users perception of comment quality, though people tend to use it to show disapproval (as you did with my previous comment). There is no "normal’ when it comes to this, as it is entirely dependent on the instance and subcommunity’s collective views.
Furthermore, let me introduce you to the actual definition of gaslighting, per Merriam Webster:
1 : psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, uncertainty of one’s emotional or mental stability, and a dependency on the perpetrator
2 : the act or practice of grossly misleading someone especially for one’s own advantage
Well first they support file uploads, second I feel like everyone I ever met from this instance was nice to everyone (sure that can be because it’s smaller but it also has less controversies (i.e. what the dude I was replying to, the lemmy.world blocking us) due to the overall nature of this instance)
Went here for the file uploads, stayed for the community, that’s what I can personally say
With FEP-c118 there is currently an extension to the activitypub protocol in the works to allow setting a license on posts. If you don’t add a license info in your posts the licensing is unclear. I think that some jurisdictions give a default copyright and some protections to the author but I don’t know how that works.
With the fediverse you you have as much or as little rights as when you put it on your private blog without explicit licensing. If someone uses your works without your consent you still have to find out and you have to protected your rights yourself.
There are currently no lemmy or kbin instances that have monetization options. The only ActivityPub software I know that can show ads is misskey.
In the end you have to be aware that any kind of open social network is like screaming your thoughts towards a big crowd. You lose most of your control over it the second it’s out. It is nearly impossible to track who has the information and who shares it with others.
There are legal protections in some parts of the world but even then you first have to find out that something bad happened. If an instance were to start monetizing data it would probably cut off pretty fast and all the communities would probably move.
Still if there is stuff you don’t want everyone to know don’t post it publicly.
One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.
If there is a community mod on instance C, that moderator can remove the post and the removal will federate, even when an admin removal on instance C will not (unless that admin is also a community mod for the instance B community)
I don’t use Lemmy so much anymore, I settled on mastodon after everything (it just had a much more mature ecosystem imo) but I still come back to beehaw to lurk because of the community. I think that moving to another app is the way, anyone with an account here likely has another anyways if they like federation since the biggest instances are defederated from here (blahaj was for me). Best wishes for the mods, and I’ll probably still be here after whatever happens even if I’m not interacting a lot.
this is early testing phase. I have created and deployed a lemmy server and mattermost modules successfully and it works great.
technical details: all this works via cloud instances kinda like architecture, i create a instance (container or vm based on software req) and launch automated scripts to setup everything so people don’t have to mess up working with insecure configurations. The backend api is golang and frontend is vuejs. I also have a WAF and security protocols to mitigate basic security flaws and botnet attacks. I need feedback on what our oss community surfers the most when hosting federated communities.
business side: I dont intend to charge for things in testing phase cause all i need is good feedback but as the server demands grows i’ll be working with whatever you’ll be paying for private instance (idk like $2 a month ?).
motivation: people use proprietary products cause they are already hosted and just avaiable. If we make this with oss products people will start using it. Making lemmy easy to setup will boost more community interaction and make lifes of current community mods easier :)
I moved from Lemmy.ml because I liked the name of Lemmy.world and it ran a newer Lemmy version which meant I could make communities. I moved from Lemmy.world because they defederated from piracy communities they didn’t even host (but for some reason still kept the small piracy community they DID host) From thelemmy.club...
I know it’s not how Lemmy works, what I’m saying is “There’s a big issue with how Lemmy works, here’s how I think decentralization should be approached instead.” Having terabytes of information possibly disappearing because one person gets in a car accident on their way to work isn’t an improvement vs a centralized system hosted on AWS.
Communities would be moderated by their creator, server admins could decide not to host content from any communities they don’t want to host, if no server admin wants to host your community then you’re free to host it on your own server or to fix the problems with it.
There’s illegal content on Lemmy right now, even instances that don’t want to host it need to clean up their images folder because of it, so it’s not as if the way it works right now is any better for that and it’s not as if there’s no instance admin ready to host that content.
User credentials can be stored securely. Do you think your instance admin has a text file with your password written in plain characters?
The third credential I was suggesting is just one solution so not all servers have to have a “master database” with all user info stored, split the database and let the users know they need to remember they confirm their login through database X or Y. I’m sure much more intelligent people could come up with another solution.
Check his posting behavior. Dude actively insults people he’s talking to at every chance he gets, acts like he’s in total control of what Risa should be, and generally doesn’t seem like a nice person to be around.
Oh, Pumpkin, I’m a fuckin’ delight.
Combine that with the private messages I’ve gotten from him
You mean when you provoke someone into an argument in the comments, and then report them because they don’t immediately acquiesce, so I sent you a message to knock it off? If it had been anyone else other than the most prolific poster, I would have happily given you a time out.
Now you know why I sprinted from this instance and this community.
And yet here you are, stirring the pot on a post more than a week old. Did you run out of other people’s memes to post?
This post, a day before yours on the lemmy_support@lemmy.ml community, is describing some similar behavior, with some CPU usage at start (at least on the first boot; not clear whether that is a one-off on migration from the text) and then federation problems with 0.19.1:
After upgrading Lemmy from 0.18.5 to 0.19.1, the lemmy_server process is taking up 200-350+% of my CPU…It seems like my instance isn’t federating properly now tho.
I’ve been on Lemmy and Mastodon for a little while but still not super active on either, and haven’t really kept up with fediverse stuff as a whole....
- Uses: Mostly following retrocomputing folk, and running friendly bots.
Platform Name: Lemmy
Accounts: This one is my main, a few bot accounts and others just for creating communities
Apps: Connect
Uses: You all know what this is! I also run a few posting bots
Platform Name: Mbin
Accounts: Fedia.io
Apps: None, was testing Artemis until it went AWOL
Uses: Hosting a few communities still. Was my main Lemmyesque account but Kbin was horribly unreliable. Mbin seems much better but waiting for app support as I like Connect more than the mobile web interface.
Platform Name: Bookwyrm
Accounts: wyrms.de
Apps: None
Uses: Logging and reviewing books I’ve read, keeping track of what is on my pile of books still to read.
Platform Name: Takahē
Accounts: Technically one, but it supports multiple profiles
Apps: Tusky
Uses: Mostly testing, run a few minor accounts there because the multiple profiles feature is ace.
Platform Name: Funkwhale
Accounts: One (can’t remember domain offhand)
Apps: None
Uses: My bots also post here, I’ve never managed to get federation working on it though.
I think that’s it. I did have a PeerTube account but the instance it was on closed down, and I haven’t bothered to make a new one elsewhere.
Also, the comments don’t seem to be syncing correctly between the peertube video and the community post. Peertube apparently supports using accounts from other fediverse instances, but it failed for this account I am using now.
As I watch The Internet look like it’s starting to adopt a new phase (let’s call it federation writ large), I’m watching for signs of both success and struggle. I have some strong opinions of features and functionality lacking in the current suite of UIs that might help adoption, but thing I’ve been thinking about more...
Ha, this is me. I did exactly that (with a community for the TV show Andor) and am guilty of the behaviour you describe.
I’ve probably been thinking along the same lines as you and OP though, 'cos I deleted the community a couple of days ago. I realized that if I had something more to say about that show, it doesn’t belong in it’s own niche community, or ‘Star Wars TV’, or ‘Star Wars’, or even ‘Television’. Perhaps a ‘Movies&TV’ comm, although - at this rate - maybe even ‘entertainment’ would be best.
I’m starting to think that instances that limit community creation to admins have the right idea (e.g. Beehaw, or - to use a non-federated example - tildes).
Some instances have started ‘Community Teams’, but I sense that anytime they discover a dead community, their instinct is to find ways to promote it, get new mods, drive engagement etc, whereas I’m more of the opinion that they should be nuked and consolidated (along the lines of what the ‘cooking’ communities have tried to do, I suppose).
They come and go. They’re random clutter. We only need a few big instances that hosts a majority of the communities and that’s it. Why do we need so many smaller ones?
There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week.
I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.
Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
I enjoy a lot of communities on lemmy.world, but I’d recommend against moving a community into it. Centralizing more communities there doesn’t feel productive, and I don’t think it would help with user numbers.
If you do want to move, slrpnk is cool and I think this community could succeed there. Personally, I think the best solution would be to promote this community around the Fediverse regardless of if you stay on this instance or move to another one. Places like !communityPromo and the other ones listed here: lemmy.ca/post/5581032.
Thanks for thinking about these things and for working on the community!
Lemmy Developer AMA and Dev Update, 2024-01-26, 1500 CEDT
This is a chance for any users, admins, or developers to ask anything they’d like to myself, @nutomic , SleeplessOne , or @phiresky about Lemmy, its future, and wider issues about the social media landscape today....
Netflix enshittification will continue until morale improves (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
Brave to end 'Strict' fingerprinting protection as it breaks websites (www.bleepingcomputer.com)
Managed to set up an instance using Lemmy-Easy-Deploy but federation is being a bit weird
Is it always weird on new instances, I’m seeing posts from a random amount of days ago, no votes and no comments. Also, is it possible to federate with communities automatically or do I have to search for them all one at a time to add them to my instance?
Privacy Concerns on Lemmy: A Call for More User Control (github.com)
I’ve been grappling with a concern that I believe many of us share: the lack of privacy controls on Lemmy. As it stands, our profiles are public, and all our posts and comments are visible to anyone who cares to look. I don’t even care about privacy all that much, but this level of transparency feels to me akin to sharing my...
Feeling the lack of moderation now Reddit? (lemm.ee)
Shocked Pikachu face meme.
Moving this community to !linguistics@mander.xyz
UPDATE, 2024/JAN/17: this address has been locked so mods only can post. Use the new one....
You're tearing me apart! (startrek.website)
I just realized /c/piracy is the most subscribed community in the lemmyverse! (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
lemmyverse.net/communities?order=subscribers
Do the ToS of lemmy instances contain any indication of monetising user data?
Hey folks,...
"Post has been removed"...on a different server?
Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca....
Thinking about the direction of Beehaw
Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally....
Quick And Easy To Host Lemmy And Other Federated Communities
Hey...
I might move again. (Or not) (lemy.lol)
I moved from Lemmy.ml because I liked the name of Lemmy.world and it ran a newer Lemmy version which meant I could make communities. I moved from Lemmy.world because they defederated from piracy communities they didn’t even host (but for some reason still kept the small piracy community they DID host) From thelemmy.club...
Does not compute, captain (i.imgflip.com)
Version 0.19.1 outgoing federation issues for anyone else?
Users of lemmy.today are reporting that outgoing federation of posts and comments stopped to work after the update to 0.19.1 about 19 hours ago....
What's your wider fediverse setup?
I’ve been on Lemmy and Mastodon for a little while but still not super active on either, and haven’t really kept up with fediverse stuff as a whole....
The Linux Experiment Channel (From Nick) is on Peertube, and it federates right into Lemmy as a community
Really, how awesome is that?...
[Long post] Do more or fewer communities lead to increased engagement?
As I watch The Internet look like it’s starting to adopt a new phase (let’s call it federation writ large), I’m watching for signs of both success and struggle. I have some strong opinions of features and functionality lacking in the current suite of UIs that might help adoption, but thing I’ve been thinking about more...
What is the point of small instances?
They come and go. They’re random clutter. We only need a few big instances that hosts a majority of the communities and that’s it. Why do we need so many smaller ones?
Discussion on moving to another instance
I’ve been kicking around the idea for a while of moving to another instance for a while for two reasons:...