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Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

Somewhat similar, but the bottom line is Ukraine is a recognized nation with international backing. Russia attacked them to gain territory. If Ukraine can beat this round of Russian aggression they get to remain a state and regain their lost lands. If they can’t beat the Russians back then it is an entirely different scenario. As much as I want to see them succeed there is a chance they could fail.

Finland also lost a huge chunk of territory to Russia back in the 1940s. They recognized they couldn’t beat back the Russians, struck a deal and moved on. They are now arguably better off than if the choose to continue the fight.

Gaza is not a state, the Palestinians had multiple a chances for statehood and a shot at peaceful prosperity. Instead they choose to continue to fight and commit terrorism. The current state of total war between Israel and Hamas are the consequence of their actions.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

You wouldn’t throw me out of my house. I have guns and state backing.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

The Jews were going to end up somewhere after WW2. Their ancestral homeland won out. They also had the backing of major Western powers.

Nations fall and nations rise, such is life. Don’t be on the wrong side of his . Jews all over the Middle East have been pushed out of their communities since Israel was founded. Sucks for them as well, once again don’t be on the wrong side of history.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

But the current chapter does. Gaza would look a lot different today if the October 7th attack had not happened.

Shit it would look like a fucking paradise if they had taken one of the many two state solution deals they were offered.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

Great, but they haven’t accepted any peace plan that was negotiated in the last 40 years so they could stay in their homes.

Instead they choose war.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

If Hamas is wiped out then yes, that is what total war is.

If Hamas really cared for the people under its authority, it would not have attacked nor would it use them as human shields.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

Points to the October attack on Israel.

Total war on Gaza looks pretty damn justified to me.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

Wow that is some amazing mental gymnastics there. I sure do hope you don’t strain yourself with all those logical fallacies you are jumping through.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

Oooo internet tough guy.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

Bullshit, there have been multiple attempts at a settlement with regional actors who were sympathetic to the Palestinians. Palestinians turned them all down.

Not a single country in the Middle East has volunteered to take in even a token amount of refugees… Egypt used to control the Sinai and govern that region… nada, zilch, zero refugees allowed to cross into their boarders.

Nobody in the Middle East except Iran wants anything to do with the Palestinians. Iran is only happy to use them to further their regional goals.

Saudi was in the middle of negotiations with Israel before this conflict broke out.

Why is this? Because everyone has tried to negotiate a peace and the Palestinians refuse to come to terms.

Israel is waging total war on Gaza. It’s ugly and civilians will be killed. Nobody is going to stop them because the region wants an end to this conflict one way or another and no one gives a shit about Palestine.

Brutalizing Gaza and driving Hamas out is the only way this is going to be solved.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

You either didn’t read my comment from earlier in the thread or you enjoy trying to frame an argument.

I’ll post it below for you to read and educate yourself.

There have been two state solutions on the table with Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital on the table multiple times. Palestinians turned every one of them down. Instead of building their own state they will be further pushed out of Gaza. Where they go is anyones guess no one wants them, especially other Muslim states.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

TLDR: Palestine will be wiped of the map unless they choose a different path. Israel isn’t going anywhere.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

I guess we’ll see in 50 years which nation still exists.

Looks at all of Palestine’s immediate neighbors in the Middle East who won’t even lift a finger to even admit refugees.

I think I know where I’ll put my money.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

Sucks to be on the wrong side of history. No one wants to loose their communities, property or livelihoods. However the Jews had a claim to the area going back thousands of years and they needed to go somewhere.

There were many Jewish communities across the Middle East prior to the 1940s that no longer exist anymore either. I wonder who pushed them out… do they get the same sentiment from your bleeding heart?

There have been two state solutions on the table with Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital on the table multiple times. Palestinians turned every one of them down. Instead of building their own state they will be further pushed out of Gaza. Where they go is anyones guess no one wants them, especially other Muslim states.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

lol Serbians don’t need a majority. If there were two Serbs and a cup living in a given city, Serbia would claim it and ethically cleanse the shit out of it.

Dead_or_Alive, to lemmyshitpost in The lamest countries

Maybe Hamas shouldn’t start shit.

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