Nacktmull

Nacktmull, 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

Ok, I’ll correct that to ‘Israel as a nation casually murders children on a regular basis’ to be more accurate then.

Well, that is at least a start. Now could we agree to switch “Israel as a nation” with “The right-extremist government of Israel, it´s military and the ultra-nationalist settler movement” please?

Sus af though that you claimed that a meme criticizing Israel as a nation for killing kids was an attack against all Jews

A nation includes all of it´s citizens, so that is a weird argument that seems to have only one goal, to be a killer argument against any critique of antisemitic propaganda against Israel.

How is generalizing all citizens of Israel -who as we know are mainly Jewish people- as casual child murderers not classic antisemitism? Please include in your consideration, that the narrative of child sacrifice and blood libel is one of the oldest antisemitic tropes there is and put the meme in a context with that fact.

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

lol

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

Conflating Israel’s actions with Judaism as a whole is extremely antisemitic in its own right.

I fully agree with your statement. However, calling out antisemitic propaganda aimed at Israel does not equal doing that imo.

Israel’s regime does casually murder children on a regular basis, it is not antisemitic to say that.

I fully agree with that one too and would be fine with the meme if it would have an IDF flag or a Bibi face instead of the Israel flag.

If you’re suggesting ignoring the fact, just because “Neo-nazis might like it”, I can’t stand with you.

I am not exactly sure what you mean, please elaborate.

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

Pardon? That seems like a baseless accusation, care to elaborate?

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

It’s cute how you’re staying safe in your mind palace and arguing about hypothetical settlers who don’t support what’s going on.

Excuse me? What are you even talking about? Every single time I mentioned settlers in this thread, I did so only to blame them for the situation and called them ultra-nationalists, who are one of the groups who should be criticized alongside the government and the military. So please stop projecting so wildly and instead go with what i actually wrote, otherwise there is no basis for a discussion, thank you.

You know what your hypothetical virtuous perpetrators of a genocide can do if they actually feel that way? Fucking leave. They can fucking leave and go back where they came from and give back the homes they stole.

Calling out antisemitic propaganda when I see it does neither equal taking sides in the conflict nor does it equal supporting illegal settlements of racist neo-nazi expansionist assholes who murder Palestinian olive farmers.

You should really stop projecting so much, communication becomes impossible like this.

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

That is a serious offence, reported! /s

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

Israel “as a nation” has been doing this since its inception in 1948.

I can see the true part in this oversimplifying generalization.

It has never been anything besides an ultra-nationalist settler movement.

The same could be said about many countries. Are you by any chance a US american?

I suspect you either greatly lack historical context or are arguing in bad faith tbh.

The fact that somebody has a different opinion than you does not mean neither.

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

From my antifascist perspective, an Apartheid state killing children is what is truly absolutely unacceptable.

That´s an obvious attempt to derail from topic and a weird thing to compare a meme with but I fully agree with the statement itself.

If diverse sectors of that society are not OK with war, Apartheid and murdering civilians, it’s on them to mobilize to stop that

What are you organizing to stop the crimes of your government? Would you like to be held responsible for the crimes of your government and it´s military, even if you did not vote for them?

not on the rest of the world to refrain from criticism just because the human rights violations their state actually commits are similar to delusional bigoted tropes about their religion.

Of course not but that criticism should be smart and differentiated. If it´s too generalizing, like this one, it can easily come across as antisemitic.

Also, criticizing the actions of a State, even a religious one, is not hate speech.

Maybe there is a misunderstanding? I assumed the national flag represents not just the state of a nation but also all of it´s citizens?

Nacktmull, 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

Chapeau! Thank you for this eloquent contribution, which has enriched the discussion immensely!

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

Du scheinst die Art Mensch zu sein welche möglichst simple Narrative bevorzugt und die Welt klar in gut und böse aufteilt. Daher kein Interesse an einer Diskussion, danke und schönen Tag noch.

Dein kringeliger Avatar prüft so was von aus.

Nacktmull, 10 months ago (edited 10 months ago)

You seem like the kind of person who runs defense for apartheid and genocide

Quote or it didn’t happen :)

loyalty to the people who rule you

Project much?

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

🤣

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

What´s her name?

Nacktmull, 10 months ago

Thanks, I missed that somehow

Nacktmull, 11 months ago

I see, then my criticism excludes Paradox and is obviously misplaced in this particular discussion, my apologies.

Nacktmull, 11 months ago

Did you ever make spaghetti? When you put a bunch of them in the pot, one end of the bunch still sticks out and the bunch just stands there while the lower ends stick together.

Nacktmull, 11 months ago

Did you ever make spaghetti? When you put a bunch of them in the pot, one end of the bunch still sticks out and the bunch just stands there, so no amount of bubbles is going to “knock them around”.

Nacktmull, 11 months ago

I am a EU citizen and don´t know about US spaghetti. Probably the FDA approved Teflon coating or something …

Nacktmull, 11 months ago

That is obvious, but thank you

Nacktmull, 1 year ago

c/beatmetoit