TheBananaKing

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Is there an artist so horrible that no matter how hard you try that you cannot separate their art from them?

Similar to the recent question about artists where you can successfully separate them from their art. Are there any artists who did something so horrible, so despicable, that it has instantly invalidated all art that they have had any part in?

TheBananaKing,

Don’t muddy the water: you were talking specifically about chick-fil-A, even though I was using it as a generic example of a product people might get attached to. The ‘separate the art from the artist’ crowd would have you ignore any unpleasantness on the part of the producer, so long as the product is enjoyable in isolation - and hold it a moral failing not to do so.

And your entire point was that you couldn’t be consistent because you werne’t all-knowing; not knowing the character of your 800-year-old artist is no different in this instance from not knowing the future: to perfectly apply the principle would require full knowledge of every situation where it could possibly apply (which is of course impossible). This does not, I contend, render the principle, or attempts to apply it as consistently as your knowledge allows, worthless.

Do better, and try again.

TheBananaKing,

A good moral principle is ‘don’t do things that needlessly harm people’, but unintended consequences are everywhere. By delaying a passerby two seconds while you give a homeless guy $5, you might end up causing them to get hit by a garbage truck that would otherwise have missed them.

You can’t enforce the principle consistently, but that doesn’t make it worthless; you give it a good-faith, best-effort go, and that’s all you can do. If your best efforts turn out to be disastrous, that’s shitty, but life’s unfair like that.

Also, whatever else was going on with the person 800 years ago, JK is right now causing ongoing harm in her relentless campaign of hatred for trans people. Waving her IP around is promoting her cause, and so harming more people, right now.

If nobody knows whether the 800-years-ago guy was a piece of shit or not, then promoting their work isn’t supporting some piece-of-shit cause and harming people.

As for chicken sandwiches - without explaining why you think my analogy was inapt, calling it bullshit is no more of a slam-dunk rebuttal than if I called you a poopoohead.

Entity X makes product Y and does shitty horrible thing Z. By being a product-Y fanboi and promoting Y all over the internet, you’re expressing approval for X and condoning Z (at least enough to cut them slack for it).

What difference does it make whether Y is a media IP or a food product?

TheBananaKing,

Snipers are a thing. And at best, who wants to spend their life on the lam? I want to play video games and eat toast, it’s hard to do that if you can’t spend an entire day in any given location.

TheBananaKing,

Ah, see, my family, now…

They’d refuse to let you play a word, on the grounds that you could surely get a better one, here give me your letters a minute.

Or they wouldn’t let you play a word because it didn’t ‘open up the board’, whatever the fuck that means.

I rapidly learned to not play with them.

TheBananaKing,

“Don’t like” was kind of understated.

TheBananaKing,

Steel radial truck-tyre soles. Sick of wearing through them in a few months.

Fits my weird-shaped feet (wide fitting, deep through the instep).

Uppers squashy enough not to destroy my feet after an all-day hike, but hard-wearing enough not to fall apart.

TheBananaKing,

These days, just google docs.

If I see an interesting recipe online, I’ll rewrite it without all the fluff and discussion, in a standalone document I can have up on my phone while I cook.

If it’s deemed worthy, I stick it into the master document, called ‘how to make food’ - a document I have shared with my 17yo.

TheBananaKing,

I’m not just talking about counterpoint, though. (funny story, my introduction to baroque and early music started after I went frantically searching for counterpoint after seeing an old Ethel Merman movie on TV as a kid.)

Counterpoint is all brain-tickly, but the real payoff for me is… uhh. Patterns that are obvious in retrospect, but weirdly hard to predict ahead, given how simple they are. You can get this all the way back to plainchant, and the more basic the construction, the more impressive it is.

Conversely, once you scrape off all the drama and fussy bits off most classical composers, you’re left with something very basic indeed. You pull the ends, and for all its loopy squiggling, it doesn’t actually make a knot.

Meh. I not words good. There’s a concept there, but I lack the tools to reason about it.

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