commie

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i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

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commie,

bye

commie,

Don’t be surprised when people are confused at your lack of rationale.

i’m being fully rational about this for any deontological viewpoint. if you disagree with deontological ethics, then we have nothing to discuss: i don’t care to try to convince you you’re wrong, and i’ve heard all the arguments you can summon.

commie,

Literally no human i have ever interacted with before you thought not buying a steak for a few months instantly fixes the world.

i never said that.

commie, (edited )

Less meat produced = better.

that hasn’t happened

commie,

Reducing demand for said production at a large scale WOULD (this is in conjunctive because it’s still a small movement so IT HASN’T HAPPENED YET - we all know that) over time force said production to scale down.

that’s not causal.

commie,

so maybe you should stop lying to people about being vegan helping the planet.

commie,

it’s not like we’d be throwing away megatons of silage if it weren’t for cattle.

I don’t think there is a better use than making food. I’m fine with that.

commie,

you keep waffling about whether you lied, but I assure you, you did. you’ve even owned up to it earlier in the thread, but now you’re backsliding.

commie, (edited )

but beef, chicken, and pork continue to be made in increasing amounts. things are getting worse despite the fact that vegans exist. being vegan doesn’t help the planet at all.

commie,

make any excuse you like for why being vegan doesn’t help.

commie,

when someone takes you at your word, and then you need to walk back your position to a much weaker claim because they point out that you are writing checks the facts don’t support, it’s you who is practicing intellectual dishonesty. compounding it with strawmen, and then rhetorically implying it is, in fact, the person who called you out who is being dishonest is the height of intellectual dishonesty. you should be ashamed, and you should edit the comments where you lied so as not to continue to mislead other users.

commie, (edited )

i have math on my side, but also the USDA says so as well.

Although some of the crop is used directly, more than 80 percent of the crop is processed into soybean meal and oil through crushing.

commie,

strawmen? not really. it’s exhausting dealing with intellectual dishonesty.

commie,

85% of global soy is pressed for oil. the vast majority of the soy that’s fed to animals is the industrial waste from that process.

commie,

this is deflection

commie,

it’s not a nirvana fallacy. they’re actually right, being vegan has no impact at all. a peace treaty actually creates peace. buying beans just means beans are sold, it doesn’t do anything to change any of the problems.

commie,

If you were not emotionally engaged, youd simply point out the data.

i’ve provided exactly as much data as you have.

commie,

Try a different browser.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDUjeR01wnU

commie,

ourworldindata.org/…/Global-soy-production-to-end…

i can’t click your paywalled link

here’s what the UN’s FAO says

oil is 17.2%. since a soybean is only about 20% oil to begin with, you need to crush 85% of all soybeans to get that much oil. do you see how the vast majority of what is fed to animals is called “soy meal” or “soy cake”? that’s the industrial waste from processing soybeans to oil.

commie,

I guess large scale veganism still only removes loads of industrial processes/co2 production, unspeakable animal abuse and insane amounts - and i mean ludicrous amounts - of wasted drinking water.

that has never happened.

commie,

youre lying

everything i’ve said is true. you are the one who seems to want to bend reality to match your beliefs.

commie,

Tiny niche doesnt stop global trend. Who knew?

you’re the one telling people being vegan will help, but now you’re admitting it doesn’t. you should just go edit the comments where you lied about this and apologize to the people who might have been misled.

commie,

It does, if enough people did it.

do you have a plan to make that happen? how many people is enough?

commie,

you can make any excuse you want. the fact is that being vegan has not helped the environment at all.

commie,

Reducing global meat production would be a net benefit to the planet and every being living on it in the long term.

that’s true. what you said before was not.

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