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jarfil, to news in Paris police shoot woman at station after threats

Obligatory: “Train stations are where trains stop, bus stations are where busses stop, I have a work station… and police stations are really frightening.”

jarfil, to news in Expel all Palestinians from Gaza, recommends Israeli gov't ministry

The authors mention the necessity of “creating ideological change” in the Palestinian population through a process of what it likens to “de-Nazification,” requiring Israel to “dictate the school curricula and enforce its use for an entire generation.”

Ah yes, the “de-Nazification” card… right after keeping a whole generation imprisoned under Hamas rule. How convenient. 😒

jarfil, to news in Why does China claim almost the entire South China Sea?

What’s the term for a narcissistic country?

Country. Otherwise the land gets claimed by a different narcissistic country.

jarfil, to news in As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

Only real way to solve the problem is to get rid of Hamas.

Does that include evacuating all Israelis from Gaza, then mass murdering everyone left who could ever dream of joining Hamas?

Because it seems to be what Israel is aiming at, and there are some words for it, like “genocide”.

jarfil, to news in As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies

Ideological groups usually put increasing their following, before the wellbeing of those who don’t follow them.

jarfil, (edited ) to news in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

All those maps seem to show the same things, in slightly different ways. Basically, “statistics massaging” done with maps.

The “Fact” one seems to have the most information, as in:

  • Since 1917, the British had control ver the “Mandate of Palestine”, which was neither Israel nor Palestine.
  • Both Jews and Arabs started buying land and settling there, hoping to become the majority population in case a referendum was held when the British retired.
  • Since 1941, the Jewish ideated a plan on how to win a possible referendum by getting One Million of their own in there, presenting it in 1944 as a solution for Holocause refugees, but then realizing that it wouldn’t be enough, that they’d still be missing people and they’d need “Arab refugees”, as in Jews fleeing persecution from Arab countries.
  • In 1947, after WWII, the UN proposed a plan to split the land, which the Arab countries rejected.
  • In 1948 the British planned to GTFO… and just the day before, Israel was formed and declared that the whole land would be theirs.
  • The moment the British left, all the Arab countries attacked Israel which they saw as illegitimate… and with the idea of genociding everyone.
  • However, Israel won that war, and let any Arabs choose whether to stay or GTFO. About 150,000 decided to accept Israeli citizenship, about 700,000 got pushed into Jordan/Palestine.
  • As predicted, a lot of Jews fled Arab countries fearing persecution, which propped up the numbers of Israeli citizens, and further increased the hatred in Arab countries.
  • In 1967, Israel got attacked again, and won again, letting it lay claim to the area previously known as Jordan/Palestine.
  • But people in that area, were mostly Arabs, which didn’t sit well with Israel, who started a colonization process, mainly to cut off the “Palestine enclave” from Jordan… and to intersperse some Jewish population inside, lest the area decoded to hold a referendum and the Arab side win.
  • People in the Gaza area were Arab/Palestinian, and it has open access to the sea, so instead Israel tried to contain those people by walling them off, and telling Egypt to take them… which Egypt doesn’t really want to (we’re in the middle of a worldwide migration crysis, nobody wants millions of immigrants).
  • In 1995, after a lot dirty tactics from bother sides, a Palestinian governance was established… but by then the ex-Jordan area was already decimated by Israeli colonists.

Misinformation:

  • The “disappearing Palestine” map, starts by claiming all the territory was Palestine, which is false, it was a “Mandatory Palestine” under British control. If you compare it with the first “Fact” map, you’ll notice it claims all the white area as Arab owned, which is false.
  • The UN plan seems to be correct on all the maps, little to manipulate there since it failed anyway.
  • The 1948/1949 maps match what Israel claimed after preemptively declaring itself as a state, getting attacked, and winning.
  • The 1967 maps also show how Israel got control over the whole area, and progressively has been eating away at any possible Arab/Palestinian claim.
  • The 1995 and “NOW” maps show why Israel conceded a Palestinian governance: mainly over territories where people identifying as Palestinians are no longer a majority.

Personally, I’d say the “Fact” one along the AlJazeera one, paint the most complete picture.

For sources, check Wikipedia for:

jarfil, to news in Australia rejects proposal to recognise Aboriginal people in constitution

On the other hand, why should a “toothless measure” become part of the constitution?

(PS: just checked US Constitution amendments, love how the 27th only took 200 years to get approved 😄)

jarfil, to news in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

The word is useless for describing violent acts in a meaningful way

Agree.

It is not a meaningful word

Disagree.

“Terrorism” has a clear meaning, and observing when people use it, or avoid using it, is even more meaningful, as proven by those examples.

PS: I’ve been called a “no freeloading terrorist”, a “TV remote terrorist”, and a “cleaning terrorist”. It may not tell you much about what I did, but it should convey enough meaning about what they were thinking.

jarfil, to news in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

That’s nonsense. Feel free to investigate the demographics of the World, Africa, Niger, Ukraine, China, or the US, to get a feel for “infant mortality” or “when most people die”.

www.populationpyramid.net

jarfil, to news in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

Russia and Belarus also use fear to control their citizens. Setting a place on fire to make the state fear you, definitely can be called terrorism. Asking for sanctions against a state… hm, kind of? Technically, many of the sanctions against Russia are also intended to instill fear, including amongst civilians so they stop supporting their state. Making the EU fear whether it will have enough fuel for the winter, is another case.

There’s a lot of terrorising going around these days.

jarfil, to news in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

If it simply meant using fear as a weapon, then every state that has prisons and police would be terrorist.

Well… you said it 🙈

The Oxford definition adds “unlawful” as an extra requirement, but I’d readily call Iran’s morality police “terrorist”, despite being lawful and state sponsored.

jarfil, to news in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

This seems to be missing the meaning of the word “terrorist”, as in anyone espousing the ideology of instilling fear as a weapon.

jarfil, (edited ) to news in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

Notice how the sharpest decline in Palestine’s demographic pyramid appears between 14 and 34 years old, or about when people realize what’s going on and decide to GTFO, and how that fits the constantly increasing emigration, while the increasing population —despite higher child mortality, lower lifespans, and extreme emigration— fits the profile of adapting fertility to and ideological parity with Israel’s immigration rates.

Since you mentioned India:

Notice the low child mortality with an actual increase towards the age of 22. We could discuss the large younger male surplus, though.

jarfil, (edited ) to news in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

Source: Spanish TV.

There has been some uproar this week because there are over 10,000 Spanish citizens in Israel and Gaza, but the government only decided to fleet 2 military planes to evacuate 500 of them. Turns out, they were only evacuating the “tourists and people on business trips”… meaning the rest are not; they’re people who decided to immigrate there. Following that, different reporters got hold of people “left behind”, both in Israel and Gaza.

One of those people, was a lady who immigrated to Gaza 40 years ago, “to settle right next to the Israeli border”, and now kept repeating how the Spanish consulate is ignoring her request for evacuating her 19-people family, with many children among them.

It’s estimated that 50% of the population of Gaza are underage, meaning they’re people born in the last 18 years, into a conflict that’s been going for 70 years, from way before this lady decided to immigrate there 40 years ago and contribute to the population growth.


Source: Internet (various)

Some statistics about this:

Both sides are engaged in a long term (100+ years) strategy of trying to out-number each other, with sympathizers of each side migrating there to increase the numbers for the conflict. Since immigration into Gaza and Palestine is more restricted than into Israel, the former have been trying to churn out as many “new residents” (aka kids) as quickly as possible… who are now being used by Hamas as a humanitarian crisis bargaining chip.

Notice how even with a steady emigration of about half the population of Palestine every year, the total population keeps growing, along with a steady immigration rate of around 200K/year:

jarfil, to news in Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

It’s terrible that some civilians immigrated to Israel for the sole purpose of becoming settlers and pushing Palestinians out.

It’s terrible that some civilians immigrated to Gaza for the sole purpose of having as big a family as possible to use their own children and grandchildren as human shields against Israeli settlers.

It’s terrible that dual-citizenship people on both sides are asking “their” [other] countries to evacuate them, after having spent decades there on purpose.

It’s terrible that Israel is willing to watch millions of civilians starve… that Egypt doesn’t want to let refugees in… and Hamas doesn’t want to let them out.

So far, I see nothing wonderful in all of this.

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