jarfil

@jarfil@beehaw.org

Programmer and sysadmin (DevOps?), wannabe polymath in tech, science and the mind. Neurodivergent, disabled, burned out, and close to throwing in the towel, but still liking ponies šŸ¦„ and sometimes willing to discuss stuff.

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Israel-Palestine megathread for the remainder of the weekend

the front page is now like half articles on this currently, so itā€™s probably time for a megathread because none of us want to keep track of 12 threads on this subject and all the resulting comments. only major subsequent developments (for example, boots on the ground; pronunciations by governments; that sort of stuff) will get...

jarfil,

Itā€™s terrible that some civilians immigrated to Israel for the sole purpose of becoming settlers and pushing Palestinians out.

Itā€™s terrible that some civilians immigrated to Gaza for the sole purpose of having as big a family as possible to use their own children and grandchildren as human shields against Israeli settlers.

Itā€™s terrible that dual-citizenship people on both sides are asking ā€œtheirā€ [other] countries to evacuate them, after having spent decades there on purpose.

Itā€™s terrible that Israel is willing to watch millions of civilians starveā€¦ that Egypt doesnā€™t want to let refugees inā€¦ and Hamas doesnā€™t want to let them out.

So far, I see nothing wonderful in all of this.

jarfil, (edited )

Source: Spanish TV.

There has been some uproar this week because there are over 10,000 Spanish citizens in Israel and Gaza, but the government only decided to fleet 2 military planes to evacuate 500 of them. Turns out, they were only evacuating the ā€œtourists and people on business tripsā€ā€¦ meaning the rest are not; theyā€™re people who decided to immigrate there. Following that, different reporters got hold of people ā€œleft behindā€, both in Israel and Gaza.

One of those people, was a lady who immigrated to Gaza 40 years ago, ā€œto settle right next to the Israeli borderā€, and now kept repeating how the Spanish consulate is ignoring her request for evacuating her 19-people family, with many children among them.

Itā€™s estimated that 50% of the population of Gaza are underage, meaning theyā€™re people born in the last 18 years, into a conflict thatā€™s been going for 70 years, from way before this lady decided to immigrate there 40 years ago and contribute to the population growth.

Source: Internet (various)

Some statistics about this:

Both sides are engaged in a long term (100+ years) strategy of trying to out-number each other, with sympathizers of each side migrating there to increase the numbers for the conflict. Since immigration into Gaza and Palestine is more restricted than into Israel, the former have been trying to churn out as many ā€œnew residentsā€ (aka kids) as quickly as possibleā€¦ who are now being used by Hamas as a humanitarian crisis bargaining chip.

Notice how even with a steady emigration of about half the population of Palestine every year, the total population keeps growing, along with a steady immigration rate of around 200K/year:

jarfil, (edited )

Notice how the sharpest decline in Palestineā€™s demographic pyramid appears between 14 and 34 years old, or about when people realize whatā€™s going on and decide to GTFO, and how that fits the constantly increasing emigration, while the increasing population ā€”despite higher child mortality, lower lifespans, and extreme emigrationā€” fits the profile of adapting fertility to and ideological parity with Israelā€™s immigration rates.

Since you mentioned India:

Notice the low child mortality with an actual increase towards the age of 22. We could discuss the large younger male surplus, though.

jarfil,

This seems to be missing the meaning of the word ā€œterroristā€, as in anyone espousing the ideology of instilling fear as a weapon.

jarfil,

If it simply meant using fear as a weapon, then every state that has prisons and police would be terrorist.

Wellā€¦ you said it šŸ™ˆ

The Oxford definition adds ā€œunlawfulā€ as an extra requirement, but Iā€™d readily call Iranā€™s morality police ā€œterroristā€, despite being lawful and state sponsored.

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