yogthos

yogthos, 5 months ago

LMAO hope they do another purge of CIA operatives www.nytimes.com/…/china-cia-spies-espionage.html

yogthos, 5 months ago

we have a lot of temporarily inconvenienced billionaires here after the reddit migration

yogthos, 5 months ago

It’s so easy for the propagandists to convince western racists that DPRK is backwards and underdeveloped. www.north-korea-travel.com/pyongyang-metro.html

yogthos, 5 months ago

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yogthos, 5 months ago

Certainly better taste than anything your shithole has to offer.

yogthos, 5 months ago

I’ve never read a more sour comment in my life. Thanks for letting me know how much you’re seething and coping there.

yogthos, 5 months ago

Yup, that’s me. I’m sure there’s some point you were trying to make there.

yogthos, 5 months ago

I mean, obviously it’s nowhere close to Soviet designs in terms of quality, but we’re comparing with US here.

yogthos, 6 months ago

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/05c17d62-7e62-4a0e-b826-2cbcbcc33316.png

yogthos, 6 months ago

Hilarious how people in US see themselves as some vibrant democracy that should lead the world.

yogthos, 9 months ago

Linux and open source in general completely blow apart capitalist arguments that profit motive is necessary for innovation and technological advancement. Open source ecosystem primarily run by volunteers has produces some of the most interesting and innovative technologies that we’ve seen. The reality is that people make interesting things because they’re curious and they enjoy making stuff. Pretty much nobody makes anything interesting with profit being the primary motive.

yogthos, 6 months ago

yes really

yogthos, 6 months ago

whatever helps you sleep at night I suppose

yogthos, 6 months ago

And it’s the root cause vast majority of the time.

yogthos, 6 months ago

That is not the reality, unless you’re going to explain how public education and biotech are extractionary. And if that’s your game, you’re going to have to explain Cuba.

I’ve explained what I mean here repeatedly in this thread. I don’t know how much more clear I can make it. I’m not talking about things Nordic countries are producing. I’m talking about the basic necessities of life Nordic countries import that are produced by effective slave labour using resources extracted from the global south. This is what allows people living in these countries to focus on doing things like biotech.

The US system of empire is failing, from the industrial bedrock of the Chinese cities to the farmlands of Ukraine to the mountains of Bolivia. Maybe Blinken (or the next guy) will turn things around, but we’ve been losing traction since the end of the Bush Era pretty much globally.

Again, nowhere am I arguing with the fact that the empire is entering the stages of collapse.

The Scandinavian state services responsible for education, health care, and transportation had no discernible role in the occupation of Iraq or Afghanistan, the bulk fabrication of arms and armor in Ukraine, the string of failed coups in Latin America, or the ongoing occupation of Japan, Korea, Indonesia, and the Philippines in the Mid-Atlantic. They weren’t even NATO members until very recently.

This has dick-all with the point I’m making. Perhaps I’m not articulating it clearly enough?

These countries piggy back on US imperialism, they’re getting the benefits of imperialism by being members of the system. Scandinavian companies get to plunder the global south along with the rest of the west, Scandinavians enjoy commodities extracted from the global south by the empire.

The benefits are only rolled back when the democracies themselves are curtailed, as the states are bombarded with fascist propaganda via foreign media. A compelling argument for a Scandinavian Firewall, but a piss poor criticism of the democratic institutions themselves.

The case of Sweden shows that the democracies are curtailed by the domestic capitalists jacobin.com/…/sweden-1970s-democratic-socialism-o…

Capital relations are degraded through the imposition of social democratic reforms. And as residents rely on these reforms to sustain themselves, they become intractable. Only by unleashing fascist media, shock doctrine economics, and foreign coercion on a country do you curb the transitionary process. That’s exactly what western political strategy has been for the last 60 years.

And it will continue to be western political strategy as long as the capital owning class remains in power.

yogthos, 6 months ago

Obviously, the vast majority of plunder goes to the capitalist class, but the working class unarguably enjoys better conditions than vast majority of the world which is how the ruling class buys the support of domestic workers for imperialist policies.

yogthos, 6 months ago

That’s fair, people aren’t consciously participating in the exploitation, it’s just not visible to them.

yogthos, 6 months ago

👏

yogthos, 6 months ago (edited 5 months ago)

his has absolutely dick-all to do with their political configuration.

It has everything to do with the political configuration, and I’ve already gave a direct contrast with USSR showing what relations look like with a socialist political configuration. Politics are inherently inseparable from economics.

Because of their geographic position and ethnic sympathies, not because of their political organization.

They absolutely align with the US because of their political organization.

The benefits of social democracy are not defended by imperialism but clawed back. The institutions of social democracy are not girded but undermined.

Nowhere have I argued that socialist structures benefit from imperialism. I’m arguing that the notion of social democracy doesn’t actually work to hold back imperialism and capitalism which is its state goal.

This would posit a distinctly contrary view to what you’re stating above. Far from sympathizing and allying with imperialist states, the Swedes continued their commitment to the non-aligned movement and to independent sovereignty both for themselves and for their Third World peers.

No, it’s not contrary to my view at all which is that social democracy doesn’t work. Capitalist class that holds power gets their way in the long run. That’s precisely what the article explains.

The Swedes yearn not for their own foreign feudal lands but for the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Yet, the dictatorship of the proletariat cannot be achieved via reformism. The whole system is explicitly built to promote the interests of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. You can’t use the master’s tools will to dismantle the master’s house.

yogthos, 6 months ago

That doesn’t get you from “Democratic Socialism” to “Imperialism”, as evidenced by your own linked article.

That’s not an argument I made anywhere. What I keep telling you is that democratic socialism provides a veneer of democracy for the masses which allows capitalism to operate. Capitalism is what’s responsible for the imperialism.

Per your own linked article, they remained neutral even after the end of WW2 and sympathized more with the Non-Aligned states than either of the two Superpowers.

Oh please, it’s the height of dishonesty to pretend they were actually neutral after WW2.

Alright, asshole. I think we’re done.

I think we are done, you’ll have to go make straw man arguments in a different thread now.