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@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

No one’s made a “pulling out” joke yet?

swag_money,

other than the one in the title?

eager_eagle, to privacy in Pornhub pulls out of Montana, NC as age-verification battle rages on
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

pulls out heh

Extrasvhx9he,

Ha

Cheradenine, (edited )

There’s also this gem at the end

Aylo can expect that law enforcement will continue watching Pornhub closely

ETA : if you don’t read arstechnica, really , you should

jaybone,

Also rages on.

bartolomeo, to linux in SSH protects the world’s most sensitive networks. It just got a lot weaker
@bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

Ylönen, who at the time knew little about implementing strong cryptography in code, set out to develop the Secure Shell Protocol (SSH)

TIL SSH was invented by a Finn. I swear that country has the most awesome per capita of any country on earth.

ouch,

Long dark winters when everyone is home without socializing with people. You have got to come up with something to survive until the two week summer.

ouch,

Long dark winters when everyone is home without socializing with people. You have got to come up with something to survive until the two week summer.

possiblylinux127, to linux in SSH protects the world’s most sensitive networks. It just got a lot weaker

I might just go ahead and change the default port. Problem solved

SeeJayEmm,
@SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org avatar

If someone going through the effort to target you with a MitM over the Internet, that’s not going to stop them.

Just diable the affected ciphers and/or update opened.

Kid_Thunder, to linux in SSH protects the world’s most sensitive networks. It just got a lot weaker

Since he doesn't mention it in his 'fantastic' reporting, OpenSSH 9.6 was released Monday that will patch this attack. Also, since he doesn't mention it, if on the Internet, the MITM would have to be installed at both end points (client side and server side) to be effective without the patch.

cypherpunks,
@cypherpunks@lemmy.ml avatar

Since he doesn’t mention it in his ‘fantastic’ reporting, OpenSSH 9.6 was released Monday that will patch this attack.

I am tempted to delete this post just for the article’s stupid clickbait headline, but it still will probably cause some people to go update their OpenSSH installs, so… meh.

Anyone who actually wants to know details of the vulnerability should read the website about it which is obviously much better than this article.

Also, since he doesn’t mention it, if on the Internet, the MITM would have to be installed at both end points (client side and server side) to be effective without the patch.

Huh? No. The attacker doesn’t need to be in two places or even near either end per se, they could be located at any fully on-path position between the client and server.

spaphy,

It’s better that you guys discuss it in the comments and the click bait effectively makes me click the comments so it all worked out; thanks all.

charonn0, to linux in SSH protects the world’s most sensitive networks. It just got a lot weaker
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

Even the researcher who reported this doesn’t go as far as this headline.

“I am an admin, should I drop everything and fix this?”

Probably not.

The attack requires an active Man-in-the-Middle attacker that can intercept and modify the connection’s traffic at the TCP/IP layer. Additionally, we require the negotiation of either ChaCha20-Poly1305, or any CBC cipher in combination with Encrypt-then-MAC as the connection’s encryption mode.

[…]

“So how practical is the attack?”

The Terrapin attack requires an active Man-in-the-Middle attacker, that means some way for an attacker to intercept and modify the data sent from the client or server to the remote peer. This is difficult on the Internet, but can be a plausible attacker model on the local network.

terrapin-attack.com

Chewy7324,

It definitely receives more clicks. I’ve posted this link here a day ago, but arstechnicas title is more engaging. My first thought was whether there’s been another vulnerability found.

That said, this headline isn’t as bad as it could’ve been.

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

If someone can gain physical access to your network, you’re already fucked.

Ramenator,

Yeah, if the attacker is in a position to do a MitM attack you have much larger problems than a ssh vulnerability that so far can at most downgrade the encryption of your connection in nearly all cases

Synthead, to linux in SSH protects the world’s most sensitive networks. It just got a lot weaker

ChaCha20-Poly1305 and CBC with Encrypt-then-MAC ciphers are vulnerable to a MITM attack.

Saved you a click.

Valmond,

Why use CBC too? Cha-Cha20-Poly1305 is an AEAD, so both an assymetric plus a symmetric stream cipher.

thisisawayoflife, (edited )

Just checked my own sshd configs and I don’t use CBC in them. I’ve based the kex/cipher/Mac configs off of cipherlist.eu and the mozilla docs current standards. Guess it pays to never use default configs for sshd if it’s ever exposed to the Internet.

Edit: I read it wrong. It’s chacha20 OR CBC. I rely heavily on the former with none of the latter.

Valmond,

Ah thanks! Didn’t catch that.

NateNate60,

I thought most SSH servers default to some AES-based cypher like most other programs. Is that not the case?

mumblerfish, to linux in SSH protects the world’s most sensitive networks. It just got a lot weaker

So you need an MitM situation to even be able to perfom the attack, and the the attack on works on two ciphers? The article says those ciphers are commonly enabled, but are they default or used in relatively modern distributed versions of openssh?

gerdesj, (edited )

A scan performed by the researchers found that 77 percent of SSH servers exposed to the Internet support at least one of the vulnerable encryption modes, while 57 percent of them list a vulnerable encryption mode as the preferred choice.

That means a client could negotiate one or the other on more than half of all internets exposed openssh daemons.

I haven’t got too whizzed up over this, yet, because I have no ssh daemons exposed without a VPN outer wrapper. However it does look nasty.

bouh,

If you need a man in the middle to exploit this, it’s not that nasty.

AbouBenAdhem, (edited ) to linux in SSH protects the world’s most sensitive networks. It just got a lot weaker

Interpreting “a previously-unrecognized weakness in X was just found” as “X just got weaker” is dangerously bad tech writing.

conciselyverbose,

I get your point that the exploit existed before it was identified, but an unmitigated exploit that people are aware of is worse than an unmitigated exploit people aren't aware of. Security through obscurity isn't security, of course, but exploiting a vulnerability is easier than finding, then exploiting a vulnerability. There is a reason that notifying the company before publicizing an exploit is the standard for security researchers.

You're right that it's never an OK title, because fuck clickbait, but until it's patched and said patch propagates into the real world, more people being aware of the hole does increase the risk (though it doesn't sound like it's actually a huge show stopper, either).

wewbull,

Also, finding an exploit means the system will get stronger very shortly.

AbouBenAdhem, (edited )

Weakness and risk are distinct things, though—and while security-through-obscurity is dubious, “strength-through-obscurity” is outright false.

Conflating the two implies that software weaknesses are caused by attackers instead of just exploited by them, and suggests they can be addressed by restricting the external environment rather than by better software audits.

Kid_Thunder,

In my opinion Dan Goodin always reports as an alarmist and rarely gives mitigation much focus or in one case I recall, he didn't even mention the vulnerable code never made it to the release branch since they found the vulnerability during testing, until the second to last paragraph (and pretended that paragraph didn't exist in the last paragraph). I can't say in that one case, it wasn't strategic but it sure seemed that way.

For example, he failed to note that the openssh 9.6 patch was released Monday to fix this attack. It would have went perfectly in the section called "Risk assessment" or perhaps in "So what now?" mentioned that people should, I don't know, apply the patch that fixes it.

Another example where he tries scare the reading stating that "researchers found that 77 percent of SSH servers exposed to the Internet support at least one of the vulnerable encryption modes, while 57 percent of them list a vulnerable encryption mode as the preferred choice." which is fine to show how prevalent the algorithms are used but does not mention that the attack would have to be complicated and at both end points to be effective on the Internet or that the attack is defeated with a secure tunnel (IPSec or IKE for example) if still supporting the vulnerable key exchange methods.

He also seems to love to bash FOSS anything as hard as possible, in what to me, feels like a quest to prove proprietary software is more secure than FOSS. When I see his name as an author, I immediately take it with a grain of salt and look for another source of the same information.

_edge, to linux in Just about every Windows and Linux device vulnerable to new LogoFAIL firmware attack

There are several ways to exploit LogoFAIL. Remote attacks work by first exploiting an unpatched vulnerability in a browser, media player, or other app and using the administrative control gained to replace the legitimate logo image processed early in the boot process with an identical-looking one that exploits a parser flaw. The other way is to gain brief access to a vulnerable device while it’s unlocked and replace the legitimate image file with a malicious one.

In short, the adversary requires elevated access to replace a file on the EFI partition. In this case, you should consider the machine compromised with or without this flaw.

You weren’t hoping that Secure Boot saves your ass, were you?

blindsight, (edited )

The idea is also that a compromised system will remains compromised after all storage drives are removed.

Ithorian,
@Ithorian@hexbear.net avatar

So if I have my computer set that it needs a sudo password for most changes am I good?

fl42v,

Unless they find another way to escalate privileges… A bug, a random binary with suid, etc

_edge,

Yes, that’s my understanding. A normal user cannot do this. (And of course, an attacker shouldn’t not control a local user in the first place.)

Physical access is also a risk, but physical access trumps everything.

Ithorian,
@Ithorian@hexbear.net avatar

Thanks for the answer. Unless my dog learns how to code I think I’m safe from anyone getting physical access

PhatInferno,
@PhatInferno@midwest.social avatar

As a hacker imma start teaching dogs to code as part of my breakin process, sorry bud

FigMcLargeHuge,

Introduce him or her to FidoNet.

Murdoc,

Ah, so the next Air Bud movie will be what, Hack Bud?
“There’s nothing in the specifications that says that a dog can’t have admin access.”
“Nothing but 'net!”

timicin,

You weren’t hoping that Secure Boot saves your ass, were you?

i wonder if containerized firefox (eg snap/flatpak) will

InnerScientist,

replace a file on the EFI partition.

Doesn’t this mean that secure boot would save your ass? If you verify that the boot files are signed (secure boot) then you can’t boot these modified files or am I missing something?

hottari,

If I can replace a file in your EFI, how hard would it be to sign the same file.

InnerScientist,

Well, it rules out an evil maid attack and maybe jumping over a dual boot setup.

fl42v, (edited )

If it can execute in ram (as far as I understand, they’ve been talking about fileless attacks, so… Possible?), it can just inject whatever

Addit: also, sucure boot on most systems, well, sucks, unless you remove m$ keys and flash yours, at least. The thing is, they signed shim and whatever was the alternative chainable bootloader (mako or smth?) effectively rendering the whole thing useless; also there was a grub binary distributed as part of some kaspersky’s livecd-s with unlocked config, so, yet again, load whatever tf you want

InnerScientist,

Last time I enabled secure boot it was with a unified kernel image, there was nothing on the EFI partition that was unsigned.

Idk about the default shim setup but using dracut with uki, rolled keys and luks it’d be secure.

After this you’re protected from offline attacks only though, unless you sign the UKI on a different device any program with root could still sign the modified images itself but no one could do an Evil Maid Attack or similar.

fl42v,

The point with m$ keys was that you should delete them as they’re used to sign stuff that loads literally anything given your maid is insistent enough.

[note: it was mentioned in the arch wiki that sometimes removing m$ keys bricks some (which exactly wasn’t mentioned) devices]

_edge,

Well, not an expert. We learned now that logos are not signed. I’m not sure the boot menu config file is not either. So on a typical linux setup you can inject a command there.

peopleproblems,

See, I knew there were other reasons I wouldn’t touch secure boot lol

falsem,

Yeah, if someone has write access to your boot partition then you're kind of already screwed.

plinky,
@plinky@hexbear.net avatar

The worst part it persists through reinstalls (if i understood correctly)

_edge,

This is also my understanding, at least of you keep the EFI partition.

Bitrot, (edited )
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It can outlast those too.

In many of these cases, however, it’s still possible to run a software tool freely available from the IBV or device vendor website that reflashes the firmware from the OS. To pass security checks, the tool installs the same cryptographically signed UEFI firmware already in use, with only the logo image, which doesn’t require a valid digital signature, changed.

Bipta,

Boy do I love the future.

Bitrot,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It’s reminiscent of boot sector viruses in the DOS days.

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Pirates: “I’m 4 dimensions ahead of you.”

Mr_Blott, to reddit in Reddit must share IP addresses of piracy-discussing users, film studios say

This sounds like something I’m waaaay too European to have to worry about lol

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