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0x0, to linux in Just about every Windows and Linux device vulnerable to new LogoFAIL firmware attack

I wonder if old BIOS are vulnerable…

admin,
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

Nope, they aren’t as universal as EFI. I think the closest comparable attack vector for “old tech” is a bootsector virus.

_edge, to linux in Just about every Windows and Linux device vulnerable to new LogoFAIL firmware attack

There are several ways to exploit LogoFAIL. Remote attacks work by first exploiting an unpatched vulnerability in a browser, media player, or other app and using the administrative control gained to replace the legitimate logo image processed early in the boot process with an identical-looking one that exploits a parser flaw. The other way is to gain brief access to a vulnerable device while it’s unlocked and replace the legitimate image file with a malicious one.

In short, the adversary requires elevated access to replace a file on the EFI partition. In this case, you should consider the machine compromised with or without this flaw.

You weren’t hoping that Secure Boot saves your ass, were you?

blindsight, (edited )

The idea is also that a compromised system will remains compromised after all storage drives are removed.

Ithorian,
@Ithorian@hexbear.net avatar

So if I have my computer set that it needs a sudo password for most changes am I good?

fl42v,

Unless they find another way to escalate privileges… A bug, a random binary with suid, etc

_edge,

Yes, that’s my understanding. A normal user cannot do this. (And of course, an attacker shouldn’t not control a local user in the first place.)

Physical access is also a risk, but physical access trumps everything.

Ithorian,
@Ithorian@hexbear.net avatar

Thanks for the answer. Unless my dog learns how to code I think I’m safe from anyone getting physical access

PhatInferno,
@PhatInferno@midwest.social avatar

As a hacker imma start teaching dogs to code as part of my breakin process, sorry bud

FigMcLargeHuge,

Introduce him or her to FidoNet.

Murdoc,

Ah, so the next Air Bud movie will be what, Hack Bud?
“There’s nothing in the specifications that says that a dog can’t have admin access.”
“Nothing but 'net!”

timicin,

You weren’t hoping that Secure Boot saves your ass, were you?

i wonder if containerized firefox (eg snap/flatpak) will

InnerScientist,

replace a file on the EFI partition.

Doesn’t this mean that secure boot would save your ass? If you verify that the boot files are signed (secure boot) then you can’t boot these modified files or am I missing something?

hottari,

If I can replace a file in your EFI, how hard would it be to sign the same file.

InnerScientist,

Well, it rules out an evil maid attack and maybe jumping over a dual boot setup.

fl42v, (edited )

If it can execute in ram (as far as I understand, they’ve been talking about fileless attacks, so… Possible?), it can just inject whatever

Addit: also, sucure boot on most systems, well, sucks, unless you remove m$ keys and flash yours, at least. The thing is, they signed shim and whatever was the alternative chainable bootloader (mako or smth?) effectively rendering the whole thing useless; also there was a grub binary distributed as part of some kaspersky’s livecd-s with unlocked config, so, yet again, load whatever tf you want

InnerScientist,

Last time I enabled secure boot it was with a unified kernel image, there was nothing on the EFI partition that was unsigned.

Idk about the default shim setup but using dracut with uki, rolled keys and luks it’d be secure.

After this you’re protected from offline attacks only though, unless you sign the UKI on a different device any program with root could still sign the modified images itself but no one could do an Evil Maid Attack or similar.

fl42v,

The point with m$ keys was that you should delete them as they’re used to sign stuff that loads literally anything given your maid is insistent enough.

[note: it was mentioned in the arch wiki that sometimes removing m$ keys bricks some (which exactly wasn’t mentioned) devices]

_edge,

Well, not an expert. We learned now that logos are not signed. I’m not sure the boot menu config file is not either. So on a typical linux setup you can inject a command there.

peopleproblems,

See, I knew there were other reasons I wouldn’t touch secure boot lol

falsem,

Yeah, if someone has write access to your boot partition then you're kind of already screwed.

plinky,
@plinky@hexbear.net avatar

The worst part it persists through reinstalls (if i understood correctly)

_edge,

This is also my understanding, at least of you keep the EFI partition.

Bitrot, (edited )
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It can outlast those too.

In many of these cases, however, it’s still possible to run a software tool freely available from the IBV or device vendor website that reflashes the firmware from the OS. To pass security checks, the tool installs the same cryptographically signed UEFI firmware already in use, with only the logo image, which doesn’t require a valid digital signature, changed.

Bipta,

Boy do I love the future.

Bitrot,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It’s reminiscent of boot sector viruses in the DOS days.

plinky, to linux in Just about every Windows and Linux device vulnerable to new LogoFAIL firmware attack
@plinky@hexbear.net avatar

damn 😱

redd,
@redd@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Don’t panic!

Showroom7561, to privacyguides in Automakers’ data privacy practices “are unacceptable,” says US senator

I want to thank the Automakers for giving me more reasons to ride a bike! 🤗 🤗

ThatRocco, to privacyguides in Automakers’ data privacy practices “are unacceptable,” says US senator
@ThatRocco@lemmy.world avatar

When I went to trade school in 2010 for automotive repair our instructors told us this was going to happen. At the time, I thought they were just grumpy old men who didn’t like that cars were becoming more and more electronic. How wrong I was

carnimoss, to privacyguides in Automakers’ data privacy practices “are unacceptable,” says US senator

Are there any modern cars without this problem? It makes sense that they steal data considering how many have wifi and bluetooth

speaker_hat,

I guess only the ones without Internet connection

rebul, to privacyguides in Automakers’ data privacy practices “are unacceptable,” says US senator

Typical Washington bluster for optics. Auto manufacturers and their unions contribute too much money to politicians, nothing will be done.

ItsComplicated, to privacyguides in Automakers’ data privacy practices “are unacceptable,” says US senator

I prefer my car just be a car! I am definitely getting old.

MasterBuilder,

No, you aren’t. You just haven’t been conditioned your whole life to accept 100% surveillance.

Tag365, to gaming in Guidemaster: Game controllers to turn your smartphone into a mobile gaming machine
@Tag365@lemmy.zip avatar

These options look pretty interesting. Too bad Worms W.M.D cannot be live streamed on Xbox Game Pass anymore…

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA, to upliftingnews in Crispr gene editing shown to permanently lower high cholesterol
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, but then you get to have the side effects of having had done crispr gene editing. Have they really gotten that down to a two week sniffle?

eyes,

Probably better than dying, high cholesterol is responsible for 7.1% of deaths in England alone. In 2022 that’s something like 40k deaths a year that could have been elimated.

Marin_Rider, to fuck_cars in 280 million e-bikes are slashing oil demand far more than electric cars. E-bikes and scooters displace 4x as much demand for oil as all of the EVs in the world.

I have an ebike, and I really want an electric scooter/bike once the range can be improved, currently they couldn’t get me to and from work (it’s a long commute)

Des, to fuck_cars in 280 million e-bikes are slashing oil demand far more than electric cars. E-bikes and scooters displace 4x as much demand for oil as all of the EVs in the world.
@Des@hexbear.net avatar

i want one so bad

FartsWithAnAccent, (edited ) to fuck_cars in 280 million e-bikes are slashing oil demand far more than electric cars. E-bikes and scooters displace 4x as much demand for oil as all of the EVs in the world.
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Stop on by !micromobility if you’re interested in ebikes, scooters, bicycles, skateboards, or whatever personal transport might interest you.

FlashMobOfOne, to fuck_cars in 280 million e-bikes are slashing oil demand far more than electric cars. E-bikes and scooters displace 4x as much demand for oil as all of the EVs in the world.
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

This fact is why, as much as random scooters being everywhere may annoy me, I see the value in having them around.

Uranium3006,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

the dockless rent-a-scooters need to go. privately owned escooters? great. dock based systems? also great. escooters littered all over the street? nah

FlashMobOfOne,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t like them either but when Atlanta banned them pollution and traffic became significantly worse. They serve a purpose.

frostbiker, (edited )

the dockless rent-a-scooters need to go

Yeah, I get it. Private vehicles everywhere on the side of the street are an eyesore and take a ton of valuable public space. If at least e-scooters were as small as a car it wouldn’t be such a big deal to see them parked everywhere.

kamenoko,

They’re also stupid dangerous to use and provide almost no protection if a car finds you, or you hit something the wrong way and go flying.

HiddenLayer5, (edited )
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

My biggest issue with scooters is that the sidewalks on most streets in North America are way too narrow to safely use them while others are walking, and we’re seriously lacking in dedicated bike lanes. Both of which are issues with the prioritization of car infrastructure over all else as opposed to problems with scooters themselves. Since scooters cannot safely run on the road but is still too fast for exclusively pedestrian paths. Where there are dedicated bike lanes in my city, scooters share them with bikes perfectly fine.

Tak,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

I feel like most roads where you’d ride a scooter the cars would be less of a problem if they followed the speed limit. Scooters should be able to go down 45mph roads just fine but there’s always some massive truck going 60.

HiddenLayer5, (edited )
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, unfortunately speed limits don’t mean anything and studies show that drivers pretty much always drive as fast as they think they can regardless. The issue is that North America has stroads which are highly conducive to driving fast, damn near highway speeds. If we had the narrow, potentially tile or even cobblestone local streets that European and Asian cities have it would be less of a problem because those conditions directly promote lower speeds and more attentive driving.

Tak,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve heart NotJustBikes say similar things. I normally don’t favor control over everything but at this point I would be ok with cars having electronically controlled speed limiters to not exceed the speed limit of whatever road they’re on.

It’s really just created such an entitled, careless, and demanding mindset where bikes need to have speed limiters on them for safety but Fred can buy a 1200hp 3 ton weapon with no limiter.

HiddenLayer5, (edited )
@HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml avatar

CityNerd also has a video on speed governors! www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBSkLrYbLk0

It’s also not unheard of either. IIRC Japan had speed governors on their cars for a time, which limited them to their national highway speed of 100 km/h (which is still very fast to be fair).

Tak,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m perfectly fine with there being interstates that go 85mph I just don’t want people driving so fast in dense areas with mixed traffic. If I could have people just not be assholes that would be great but I feel like driving the speed limit now is just reason for someone to get angry with you and want to drive you off the road.

I’d love to ride a bike everywhere I can but every road I would be riding would have traffic going over 45mph with massive vehicles who have drivers so impatient they’d rather run you off the road than share the road.

GBU_28,

Or just build roads and bike spaces with safe separation.

If you tighten roads people natively drive slower

swope, to fuck_cars in 280 million e-bikes are slashing oil demand far more than electric cars. E-bikes and scooters displace 4x as much demand for oil as all of the EVs in the world.
@swope@kbin.social avatar

I think ebike, scooter, etc. usage will increase even more if we mod infrastructure to be safer for everyone.

Uranium3006,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

we need to infiltrate civil engineering standards boards and make protected bike lanes mandatory for all roads with 4 or more car lanes or speed limits over 25 mph. then they'll be the default everywhere because going against code will invite lawsuits

doingthestuff,

Yeah they aren’t even allowed on the roads where I live so I never see them except on the Internet.

Delphia,

This is the kicker. They are a pretty good solution now, but they could be amazing.

At least in my country they need to hammer out a consistent set of rules and laws regarding their use. Last time I checked the vast majority of them are effectively illegal because under current laws they are too powerful to be considered an assisted pushbike, you cant register them as a roadgoing vehicle because they dont have indicators and brake lights and you cant ride them on the footpath because riding on the footpath is against the law.

Which puts them in that lovely legal space of “Does a cop want to fuck with me today?” Fortunately our police tend to be pretty cool on the subject because they know that technically taking it out of your house is illegal which is dumb.

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