Used Ubuntu Linux for a year back around '08-'09. Didnāt have a great experience and went back to Windows. Since then Iāve never had a reason to try it again. That said, Iāve nothing but respect for those that use a flavour of Linux or Mac OS. At the end of the day doing the things you need done is what matters and if a different OS than mine gets you there, thatās awesome.
Iāve tried to switch to Linux multiple times since 2008. Usually Ubuntu. Iāve even tried Linux Mint. I can never commit to the switch, I always get buggy behavior, crashes, hardware incompatibility, lack of apps (FL Studio, Adobe, WeChat for PC, etc). There are also dozens of tiny issues, like the sensitivity of the mouse/scroll wheel that feels different from Windows, even after adjusting the relevant settings. Also, for volume adjusting, the volume slider doesnāt make a sound when you change the volume level, unlike on Windows. How is it that not a single Linux distro includes this functionality? I am totally comfortable working in a Terminal if I have to, but every time I follow a terminal walkthrough I get errors; I search the error messages online and I get reading threads talking about bugs that are a decade old, there is never a solution. I am so jealous of people who can immerse themselves in Linux, I just canāt do it. I need my stuff to work out of the box, and for 15 years and many attempts to switch, it has never been the case. I canāt tell if Iām not smart enough, or I just rely too heavily on proprietary software, or I donāt want to dedicate the time to manually fixing problems with terminal commands and scripts.
My first 4 months or so with Linux sucked. I literally broke a keyboard once out of frustration. I often find myself wanting to scream ācan you just fucking work for once?ā More often than Iād care to admit.
Iāve been at it for about a year and a half and Iāve learned more about computing in that time than in the 30-odd years before. Iām starting to get the hang of bash, Iāve figured out the cause of, and fixed, problems without reading anything online (Google is fucking broken and itās not getting better so itās often not an option anymore anyway).
It can be hard. And frustrating. But itās freeing to realize just how fucking stupid Microsoft made me. And the privacy issues always bothered me (in the process of degoogling ATM) but they bother me more now than they ever did. Itās fucking gross. And itās appalling that companies collect what they do.
Point being your criticisms are all valid but if windows is a Honda Civic then Linux is a rusted out Porsche in the backyard. Itās going to take some effort to get it where you want it but when you do baby itāll purr.
I think you brought up a good point in that Microsoft conditions people to expect a certain behavior from their PC. Some of that is ease of use at there expense of privacy, forced unavoidable updates, and individual software solutions that handles their respective updates.
This is the reason I have a lot of respect for people who are not in IT or Tech field, career wise, but still managed to deep dive into linux.
Even will all the ease of access that the current linux ecosystem offer, linux still is a tinkererās OS. You have to deep dive into the basics for some problem. Thatās hard, even for someone with tech background.
The KDE desktop environment definitely plays a sound when you change the volume. I use my Logitech G Pro X wireless headset on Linux and Windows and just change the volume using the dial on the unit and it behaves the same way in both OS.
Though, to be fair, I do share some of the frustrations you mention. Iām mostly on Apple products apart from my two desktop PCs (one is Linux/Windows dual-boot, one is Linux only) which I own solely for gaming purposes and some hobbyist programming. I usually try to get non-Linux native applications running but if it proves to be too much of a hassle I simply boot into Windows or use my MacBook. I like to treat Linux as somewhat of a hobby and I totally understand that most people would rather have something that ājust worksā, especially when it comes to proprietary creative applications like the Adobe suite or DAWs. That being said, itās extremely exciting to see the massive strides Linux on the desktop has made in the last couple of years. It has come a looooong way, honestly; especially for gaming. And I always support open-source projects/foundations - Iām donating to KDE/Arch/Wikipedia on a monthly basis - because I believe in the core values and advantages of FOSS and other community-driven foundations even though Iām far from a Richard Stallman.
Iām in and out with linux for the last few years. It really boils down what do you want to do on your PC. If you are into online gaming or you need some specialized software for your work you are pretty much better stay on windows. However for general use its awsome. I have replaced many of my software even on windows to foss tools. There is a small learning curve and you will certainly need the terminal in the beginning but overall not terrible. For me it was a pleasant experience seeing mostly everything works without effort. The two most popular desktops (KDE and Gnome) are fairly polished and you question a lot of things in windows after using them. In general using linux a bit gives you a new perspective on how to use a PC.
Iāve tried Manjaro kde and mint kde and itās been a dumpster fire both times. Then again gnome was also a dumpster fire on Manjaro. It honk Iām seeing the common thread there.
I want to love kdeā¦ why wonāt it let me?Fuck gnome though.
Depends which games. I play Metal Gear Solid V, and it works almost flawlessly, aside from minor audio issues when objects in the game world move very fast (using a balloon to forcibly yank a downed enemy out of the combat zone creates a quieter than expected noise)
I am slowly going insane with KDE Plasma freezing up every time there is even remotely something accessing my drive. Not sure if I should pin my hoped on Plasma 6 or if I should attempt to move my Arch install over to Cinnamon. Or heck just install Mint and call it a day.
Have you checked the smart data for that drive? And dmesg for drive or bus resets? A failing drive can cause that freezing problem. If a drive canāt read a sector it will keep trying again and again (without TLER anyway. And how much it tries before giving up depends on the drive.) Itās been a while but I believe that will put a process in state D - uninterruptible sleep. Which canāt even be killed.
I have mint on my big rig, on a new Intel nuc laptop, on 2 VMS, on 2 proxmox VMS, on my home file server made of old parts, on another laptop from like 2005, and now on a wyse 5060 terminal.
All of them run perfectly, connect to file shares, automatically find my printer, etc. Not one crash ever, and it all works like clockwork day in and day out. Iām halfway through baldurs gate 3 on the big rig now and can play it remotely via xrdp from the laptop.
If you want a system that works and letās you get on with life Iād reccomend it
I mainly only use Linux with my SteamDeck now, but Iāve made use of it at various other times in the past, so Iām semi-familiar with it. Kind of the same boat though, Iāll see memes about it and Iām just like āHeh hehe hehā¦ā ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ āI donāt get it.ā
When I started with Linux I used Mint with cinnamon. Itās great for people who switch from windows to Linux, but after trying kde and gnome I donāt miss it in any way.
Self hosting, at least for lemmy, is absolute trash. I have been told a few times when asking questions that, āit is expected that you are thoroughly experienced with Linuxā to be able to follow the mediocre guides. And they are trash if you are a newbie.
So people like me, who would love to use Lemmy for non Linux things, am posting almost entirely about Linux problems.
What does google and bing making search worse have to do with stackoverflow and serverfaults linux users being snobs?
Or 70% of lemmy circle jerking over how much superior linux is.
I think they just meant if youāre a total Linux newbie, one who might not even be familiar with stackoverflow, trying to troubleshoot Linux via a typical search engine (a very normal thing a normal newbie who doesnāt know better would do) wonāt lead to helpful results do the current enshitification of Google and Bing. Iām pretty sure thatās all they meant bro
I wouldnāt expect running a publicly accessible server on the internet to be easy or a great idea for someone not familiar with the OS theyāre using. Great way to learn, though.
Yeah Iāve got a proxmox cluster and Iāve been using Linux for decades but I wouldnāt dare host something that a LOT of users are going to access. I donāt know nearly enough about netsec and I can guarantee my vlan practices probably arenāt perfect, etc.
I have a solution for you. Just donāt have your Internet facing things on the same /24 as your home stuff. Why vlan if you can just separate them by network and switch.
Or: just do it anyways. I learned most shit after everything broke. Not before.
And how do you learn, then, from this project, if people are shitty about your questions?
Iām a sw engineer. Iāve been doing every kind of application management, development, and systems design for 25 years, nearly all of that in Linux, and I still need things answered about running apps in proxmox. Iām not coming to a Lemmy community for those answers, Iāll tell you that.
I havenāt tried to get community tech support on Lemmy, so I wouldnāt know what itās like firsthand. If people are really that difficult, sure, that sucks. But it sounds like the person asking needs to work on more fundamental linux skills than something specific to running a Lemmy instance, and the internet is full of information about that.
I get that, but here we are. Itās something I want to do. Iāve been at it for 6 months and Iāve managed to get the site working twice, but am still struggling with SMTP. Digital ocean blocks smtp and send grid breaks the site.
SMTP in general is a pain to configure. I ran my own mail servers for a while and finally gave up and used a 3rd party service. Too many problems with antispam restrictions, and things like Iād finally get it configured, upgrade postfix or whatever and then it would all be screwed again.
Not really. Thereās tutorials for everything and most of them still work 20 years later.
vs you installed ubuntu 20 and now youre trying to follow a 16 tutorial.
Would recommend using Docker (container) and Caddy (reverse proxy) to self-host as a newbie, streamlines everything and only basic Linux knowledge required (although you do have to learn Docker commands).
Congratulations, youāve discovered the struggles of learning an esoteric hobby. Often the learning curve is steep like that. And often you will encounter elitist twits trying to push you back down the curve. But they cannot keep you from knowledge. It sounds like youāre already discovering some of the rewards.
Oh yes, Iāve been using the ansible method of deploying and I have it very close, I just canāt get SMTP working. Iāve set up an account with send grid but letsencrypt keeps telling me Iāve passed the limit for certs and every time I try to deploy it says I have to wait another week to try. I would remove certs but since Iāve already wiped those out, I donāt know what they are or how to find them.
Iāve been wondering if weāre losing users. My āEverythingā feed sorted by Active is full of posts with zero comments, and a great deal of them are just news article links that were probably automated.
Active is kind of a lackluster sorting method imo, Hot is awesome bc you get fresh posts (like Trending on that other site) aside from a couple 3M old posts that show up, Top 6h, 12h, Day are good too. New comments is cool if you want well engaged posts.
I recently joined lemmy, because fuck reddit. And thatās the first thing I saw. Lots of posted articles without comments. What do I do to combat that? Posting comments xD
Been using sway for years now. Not even thinking about it, it doesnāt jump to my face and works the same and never changes. Just what I need so I can focus on my work.
Yet another new one Iāve not heard about. Iām in the Linux gang barely as I mostly run Mint these days. So Iām Windozes adjacent but in Linux it seemsā¦
It's a barebones window manager (WM). Emphasis on a "tiling" window philosophy (windows by default do not overlap and open side-by-side) and keyboard-centric workflow which is great for programming. Most of the "Unix porn" posts you see are on a WM because they are highly customizable.
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