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yournamehere, (edited ) to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android

lets hope the devices can be rooted and we can have phosh or ubuntumobile or sth. like that flashed

Maoo, to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android
@Maoo@hexbear.net avatar

Surely this other monopoly will save us

roo,
@roo@lemmy.one avatar

It’s a new management objective.

ElBarto, to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android
@ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hahahaha cool, Linux with ads and tracking and all the spyware you could ever want.

thanksforallthefish,

So just like android ?

gzrrt,
@gzrrt@kbin.social avatar

Minus the sandboxing and security improvements, apparently

DoucheBagMcSwag,

And no sideloading

hperrin, to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android

Cool. Another OS to avoid.

Cyberbatman,

This is the best description for everyone

franklin, (edited )
@franklin@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed. If it was any company at all except Amazon there would be hope but come on. We’ve all seen what they did to the fire sticks

AbidanYre,

If it was any company at all except Amazon there would be hope

You won’t be saying that in a couple months when Facebook makes their own announcement.

franklin,
@franklin@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah fair, not ANY company

sirico, to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

For some reason I thought they had already made a nix OS

KISSmyOS,

Fire OS

FangedWyvern42,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

Fire OS, but it was just a fork of Android. There are mobile Linux distributions (like postmarketOS), but Fire wasn’t one of them.

miracleorange,

They have, but it’s more of a container development kind of thing.

pan_troglodytes, (edited ) to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android

hopefully they’ll design some package manager incompatible with android at the most basic level - and then double down when it’s proven to be a huge mistake. a good tick upwards for dev jobs, but the time for actual competition was over 10 years ago. this will fail miserably.

beta_tester, (edited )

Why? Chromeos is linux and can play android apps. Can’t linux run android apps as well? Waydroid, etc.?

Genuine question

pimeys, to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android

Nice! And they will probably differentiate from the competition by allowing GPL applications and sideloading, and having a total control for your privacy and no tracking, right?

Right?

Jagermo,

In the beginning? Sure. Later? Well, you know, security and all, think of the kids!

pastermil,

And the grannies!

KISSmyOS,

Best we can do is exclusive Amazon deals related to what you just talked about with your spouse.

Diplomjodler,

Check out these great special offers in GPL applications and sideloading!

yoz,

Lol

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Probably will just be more like their own flavor of Android where they lock down the OS and insert all kinds of malware.

kittenzrulz123,

Yeah and maybe Bezos will finally allow his workers to have bathroom breaks

KISSmyOS,

Delivery drivers are free to sideload a fully open bucket and take bathroom breaks in the privacy of their vans.

Juvyn00b,

I know there’s sarcasm here, but the article did state an sdk will be available so apps need ported.

makingStuffForFun, (edited ) to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

They want to harvest the data, without Google’s control, and give none to Google.

Laser,

That can be easily done with AOSP, to my knowledge there’s no Google stuff in there. Which is exactly what they’re using right now

mathemachristian,

There still is some google stuff in there, like for example phoning google servers to check internet connectivity among other stuff.

rentar42,

Yes, but those minor traces are easy enough to remove, especially if you don't care about being "ceritified" by Google (i.e. are not planning to run the Google services).

icedterminal,

Exactly.

If my device is compatible, does it automatically have access to Google Play and branding?

No. Access isn’t automatic. Google Play is a service operated by Google. Achieving compatibility is a prerequisite for obtaining access to the Google Play software and branding. After a device is qualified as an Android-compatible device, the device manufacturer should complete the contact form included in licensing Google Mobile Services to seek access to Google Play. We’ll be in contact if we can help you.

source.android.com/docs/setup/about/faqs

Google services are entirely missing from Android open source. The Google Play package is what contains the entirety of Google’s services.

Not sure if anyone remembers but back when cyanogenMod was the go-to, early versions had Google services included. Google sent a cease and desist notice and said it was a license violation. You cannot distribute it as part of the OS by default. The next release of cyanogenMod had it removed. Users had to flash the package if they wanted it.

mathemachristian, (edited )

Right but the topic was about google’s data harvesting and what I meant was that you can’t just grab any AOSP distribution if you want to minimize that, you need to pick one that replaces the parts that send data to google. LineageOS for example still phones google for quite a number of services.

As far as “easy to remove” goes, I think that’s kind of debatable if you want to do it in a way that’s sustainable long term considering the effort that goes into e.g. GrapheneOS or DivestOS.

Edit: here is a list of the kind of stuff you need to watch out for if you want to minimize the data sent to google

divestos.org/pages/network_connections

rentar42,

I was answering under the assumption/the context of of "Amazon wants to release an Android-based OS that doesn't contact any of Googles services".

So, when I said "easy enough to remove" that was relative to releasing any commercial OS based on AOSP, as in: this will be one of the smallest tasks involved in this whole venture.

They will need an (at least semi-automated) way to keep up with changes from upstream and still apply their own code-changes on top of that anyway and once that is set up, a small set of 10-ish 3-line patches is not a lot of effort. For an individual getting started and trying to keep that all up to do date individually it's a bit more of an effort, granted.

The list you linked is very interesting, but I suspect that much of that isn't in AOSP, my suspicion is that at most the things up to and excluding the Updater even exist in AOSP.

Auli,

Yes but people are just sideloading GAPPS and escaping their ecosystem. Might even run custom launchers so you can’t experience their ads.

Dettweiler42, to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android

I wonder if it’s going to be as terrible as their Fire OS.

CriticalMiss, to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android

Windows Phone: Electric Boogaloo

OsrsNeedsF2P, to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android

Apps are going to be written in React Native

So despite the desire for one, Vega won’t be an Android-killer, won’t bring an influx of big name apps to benefit regular Linux distros, nor see Amazon do something crazy cool like create its own Linux tablet UI.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

You know how much overhead Electron apps are? Well, here’s React Native! Enjoy all the annoyances of mobile development with the ugliest that is React!

(I kid. Or am I?)

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

It actually works pretty great, it genuinely does compile to native code pretty well. The js code just drives - everything visual or I/O is native, so it’s faster than you’d think

Anticorp,

Apps are going to be written in React Native

Idk if I’m the only person who thinks this, but I feel like React has gotten worse over the last couple of major versions. Not only does the code look a lot messier when you use their new syntax, but the end result seems unreliable. Facebook is barely even usable now. Their history management is laughable, and it’ll drop you out of the site randomly when using the back buttons. I used to think React was really neat, but I’m not a big fan anymore. There’s too much re-engineering for problems that were solved decades ago.

CosmicTurtle,

Damn…I’m trying to modernize my personal app’s UI and I thought react was the shit. What is the recommended framework now?

Anticorp,

If you like it, then use it. There’s no point in jumping every time some new framework comes out. Most of them don’t last. I have used React off and on since it came out, and I personally don’t like how the syntax has changed. My personal website is React and doesn’t have any browser history issues. Idk what’s up with Facebook history management. I guess they just don’t care very much because they’re too busy trying to gobble up data.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Honestly this. You’ll rebuild it in a few years anyways.

If you absolutely want your project to survive after 15 years…

Either web components using vanilla, or hell, just go jquery. Jquery is impossible to kill.

SatyrSack,

MorbiusJS

Potatos_are_not_friends,

React is having the same problems Angular had, and jQuery had. New ECMAscript features make formerly complex things easier, and JS frameworks adapt.

Lots of solutions. But as more edge cases start to show up, they continue to add more and more little things that shape the language into more different variants.

Many of the changes are pretty good. But New devs will go, “Why are there 7 ways to do this React thing?” And that adds to the noise.

Again, that’s not a React problem. It’s just coding in general. PHP also had a “damn you ugly” phase. But unlike PHP, I don’t think React (and most JS frameworks of today) will continue to be as popular as some hot new JS framework in 2027-2030 sweeps the landscape.

Anticorp,

And PHP will still be chugging along. lol. It’s weird that React syntax went from being fairly pretty, and structured, to looking like a plate of spaghetti. Usually languages and frameworks go the other direction.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Not at all knocking PHP.

I love how PHP 7 looks, and PHP 8 only continues to improve.

Totally agree. React is going backwards. Vue is so attractive. Heck, I’m even starting to rebuild react apps in Web components because react is getting weird.

worldofgeese, to linux in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android
@worldofgeese@lemmy.world avatar

I’m devastated they didn’t choose to pick up webOS for this.

squaresinger,

Well, they don’t want a mobile Linux. This is going to be a minimalist, locked-down distro that does nothing more than start a webrenderer.

Nobody’s gonna see the underlying Linux system.

It’s kinda like how my car entertainment system is running Linux. You wouldn’t know it if you don’t read the license file that comes with it.

worldofgeese,
@worldofgeese@lemmy.world avatar

WebOS powers TVs now and, from the article, Amazon intends this replacement to cover their Fire tablet line. WebOS ticks all their boxes, especially since apps in Amazon’s new flavor are intended to be delivered as React Native web apps.

KarnaSubarna, to linux in NVIDIA Linux Driver Adds Wayland Bug Fixes and Improvements
@KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml avatar

I found CS:GO 2 stopped working after upgrade to driver v545 from v535. Anyone else noticed the same?

redcalcium,

My desktop would crash back to login screen after playing mass effect legendary edition. After exiting the game, if the desktop idle for a while, the moment the automatic screen off kick in, the CPU fan would whirl and if I wiggle the mouse, the desktop would immediately crash back to the login screen. Not sure whose fault it is, nvidia 545, EA, wayland or gnome.

Aachen,

Known bug, NVIDIA says they are working on patching it by the next minor release:

forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/…/21

MDKAOD, (edited ) to linux in NVIDIA Linux Driver Adds Wayland Bug Fixes and Improvements

“hey here’s news. Maybe. I can’t actually tell you. It’s just what I was told. This hasn’t been relevant to me since it once was. But here’s a blog post about it. I like cheese.”

filister,

Your point being?

misophist, (edited )

Really weird article. A bunch of snarky comments from the author that add nothing to the conversation. “It’s been a decade since I touched an Nvidia card, so I’m just giving you the info I read in a changeling. Couldn’t tell you if it was true or not, so fuck you!”

filister,

I am also not a fan of this website, but NVIDIA proprietary drivers are notoriously bad especially with Wayland, so I was thinking that people might find it useful and upgrade their drivers.

null,

It’s weird that you’re being this defensive about it.

The other commenter wasn’t chastising you for posting the article, they were commenting on the article and the author of it. Nothing to do with you.

MDKAOD,

Nailed it. Sorry @filister, definitely was not a commentary on your post.

d3Xt3r, (edited ) to linux in Fedora 39 Released with GNOME 45, Linux 6.5 + More

Meh. As a KDE F38 user, this is a super boring release. Nothing really new for us to look forward to, except LibreOffice 7.6 (which you can get via Flatpak). I was hoping the new DNF 5 would make the cut, but guess it’s still not ready yet. :(

Guess will have to hold out my excitement until F40 for Plasma 6 and DNF 5 (hopefully).

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