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olafurp, in I'm so frustrated rn.

Ubuntu will work, sticking to Ubuntu based system is good to have stuff just work. For Gnome UI just use Ubuntu, for KDE use Kubuntu.

If you don’t like Ubuntu as a company you can always use these instead: PopOS for Gnome and KDE Neon for KDE. Both are very stable with great support. I’ve been running KDE Neon for years now.

Out of curiosity, what distros did you try?

Kawi,

Hi, I tried endeavor, Linux mint, manjaro, mx Linux, and I don’t remember what else. I have a question, is Gnome really popular? For me it doesn’t make sense, it feels it was made for tablets or something like that.

olafurp, (edited )

Absolutely, it’s very popular. It’s pretty similar to MacOS since it comes with a global menu by default. It’s pretty popular since the design is very consistent and looks good. They also have excellent support for new features (except Wayland). Gnome is popular with people that only want to customise the most important ports and just want a standard OS that is well thought out and accessible.

I do watch a lot of content about Linux distros, but I’m not a Gnome user so I can’t give good examples of customisation and differences between KDE and Gnome.

Here’s a review from a guy on YouTube I like on Gnome 45 that used Gnome as a daily driver for years. youtu.be/RQSA0nZaF6M?si=7UUEmWKG41gaU0uS

Btw, can replicate the same layout on KDE because of the high level of customization it provides. It can all done through the UI, as all OS changes should be done.

Aurix, in Unity’s Open-Source Double Standard: the ban of VLC

What a horrible way to handle this. A bit like YouTube demonetization policies.

taladar,

Only in the licensing space in particular there is really no good reason to hide the exact rules what is acceptable and what isn’t. Nobody is going to circumvent your defences if they know exactly which licenses you allow.

zero_gravitas, in What's your current favorite distro that isn't Arch, Debian or Fedora?

Void - voidlinux.org

unionagainstdhmo,
@unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone avatar

Was scrolling through to see if anyone had mentioned void. I use Fedora these days but Void is great because of how easy it is to contribute to with its GitHub-based package management workflow - anyone can update a package or introduce a new one, it just needs to be approved. It doesn’t get any easier than that

yianiris,
@yianiris@kafeneio.social avatar

and joborun linux

@zero_gravitas @const_void

const_void, in Booting up Libreboot T440p laptop with Windows 10 (No NVIDIA GPU Requried)

I wish more laptops had the option for Libreboot or Coreboot. I’m so tired of the monopoly proprietary firmware vendors have.

possiblylinux127,

I think part of the problem is that all of the modern hardware is a black box on some level or another.

kanzalibrary,

+1 for this. My tech hope in 2024 is… “RISC-V has reach the perfect system for consumer level” like I installed Debian on my thinkpad laptop, without any error…

agressivelyPassive,

Not gonna happen.

There are some interesting projects going on, but a) still far from desktop performance and b) definitely not in a laptop.

kanzalibrary,

If Google and Qualcomm already develop RISC-V on smartwatch in 2023, then why not on laptop in 2024? Ohh… of course it’s because trade war chips tension that halt the development. But still… optimistic on this is not wrong either IMO. Just because “it’s far from” doesn’t mean it cannot move fast…

Dudewitbow,

Its because its not as simple as just freely supporting it. Frameworks CEO talks about it in a podcast on yhe idea if they fully went behind coreboot, the hardware release cycle would at least be a generation behind, and if youre a fledgling business whose main focus is environment, repair and upgradibility first, that would likely end in the bankruptcy of your business.

fl42v,

On a side note, t440p’s {core,libre}boot is not completely foss, they still use a proprietary blob for mrc (at least AFAIK). Yet it’s still way better than other options

Zeon, (edited )

That’s not true anymore, somebody from the community reverse engineered the MRC blob a couple months back. The only RYF concern is Intel Management Engine (which is disabled, but still its there). LibreMRC is still being tested, the resolution for SeaBIOS is still messy but it works!

fl42v,

Well, I guess I now have an incentive to order yet another t440p motherboard to bring mine back to life and go playing with it once again. Tnx for the info!

CameronDev, in Random application segfaults on Arch

Try increasing RAM voltage? Might make it more stable under load. I had a similar issue, clean memtest, but games would randomly crash. Increasing RAM voltage fixed it.

NoisyFlake,

What voltage should I try? It’s currently at 1.35V, and I’ve read somewhere that this is the highest “safe” voltage.

CameronDev, (edited )

I jumped to 1.4V which afaik is safe. But i cant guarentee anything. Going up slowly might be better, but stop at 1.4?

Corsair says 1.4 is safe: help.corsair.com/…/360052448851-Tips-on-safely-ov…

hollyberries, in Steam not launching games - no idea what to do [Solved]

I don’t have any idea about your hardware issues. They’re likely unrelated if the game has already been played without issue.

For the steam diagnosing, start with running steam from your terminal, by running steam. You may get lucky and the error is clearly identified in the console.

If that fails, backup $HOME/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/221100 - the 221100 is the app ID of of DayZ on the steam store. After backing it up, delete the original 221100 directory and re-launch the game. This doesn’t delete the game, but rather deletes the Proton prefix for the game.

If the game launches, copy any save files (if any) you may have in the backed-up 221100 directory over to the new one.

The above worked for me when I had similar issues when playing Batman: Arkham Asylum.

To be thorough, have you tried any other games to rule out your hardware being an issue?

Critical_Insight, (edited )

Interestingly that file doesn’t seem to be located in the location you mentioned but rather: home/snap/steam/common/.steam/steamapps/steam/comptdata

There is no steam folder at “share”

I’ll try deleting that anyways. I’ll report back in a moment

EDIT: Nope, nothing.

Nibodhika,

The logs say error on Vulkan, make sure your GPU is running with the correct drivers. If it’s a Vulkan thing old native games that use OpenGL should work, I think Team Fortress 2 is OpenGL but I’m not entirely sure.

Critical_Insight, (edited )

I’m sorry I just don’t know how to check any of that. These are the GPU drivers I’m using (I think) The game worked just fine for several weeks with these drivers.

https://i.imgur.com/DQlhdKc.png

atzanteol,

You can install vulkan-tools (ubuntu package name - not sure if it’s the same for your distro) and running vkcube. It’s a simple vulkan app that will display a rotating cube using vulkan. It will also spit out the GPU that it’s running on.

If it reports your nvidia card and the cube looks good then your drivers may be fine and the issue is with Steam and/or this application specifically. If not then there’s an issue with your drivers.

Occasionally when I’ve had a kernel update or something the nvidia drivers have gotten borked. Removing, re-installing, and rebooting has helped. Something like this:


<span style="color:#323232;">apt purge nvidia-driver-*
</span><span style="color:#323232;">apt install nvidia-driver-535
</span><span style="color:#323232;">reboot
</span>
Critical_Insight,

I installed DayZ Experimental and I have the same issue with that. I haven’t tried with other games as I have none installed.

Trying to run steam via terminal gives me this wall of text:


<span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">(process:18363): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_settings_schema_source_lookup: assertion `source != NULL' failed
</span><span style="color:#323232;">XRRGetOutputInfo Workaround: initialized with override: 0 real: 0xf6b24370
</span><span style="color:#323232;">XRRGetCrtcInfo Workaround: initialized with override: 0 real: 0xf6b22cc0
</span><span style="color:#323232;">steamwebhelper.sh[18409]: Runtime for steamwebhelper: defaulting to /home/pokko/snap/steam/common/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/steam-runtime-heavy
</span><span style="color:#323232;">/home/pokko/snap/steam/common/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/steamwebhelper.sh: line 53: /proc/sys/kernel/unprivileged_userns_clone: Permission denied
</span><span style="color:#323232;">/home/pokko/snap/steam/common/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/steamwebhelper.sh: line 60: /proc/sys/user/max_user_namespaces: Permission denied
</span><span style="color:#323232;">steamwebhelper.sh[18409]: glibc >= 2.34, partially disabling sandbox until CEF supports clone3()
</span><span style="color:#323232;">steamwebhelper.sh[18409]: CEF sandbox already disabled
</span><span style="color:#323232;">flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Bold.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13CAppInfoCacheReadFromDiskThread took 44 milliseconds to initialize
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Steam Runtime Launch Service: starting steam-runtime-launcher-service
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Steam Runtime Launch Service: steam-runtime-launcher-service is running pid 18505
</span><span style="color:#323232;">bus_name=com.steampowered.PressureVessel.LaunchAlongsideSteam
</span><span style="color:#323232;">flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13vkEnumeratePhysicalDevices failed, unable to init and enumerate GPUs with Vulkan.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">BInit - Unable to initialize Vulkan!
</span><span style="color:#323232;">BRefreshApplicationsInLibrary 1: 0ms
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">(steam:18363): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_settings_schema_source_lookup: assertion `source != NULL' failed
</span><span style="color:#323232;">flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13BuildCompleteAppOverviewChange: 183 apps
</span><span style="color:#323232;">RegisterForAppOverview 1: 18ms
</span><span style="color:#323232;">RegisterForAppOverview 2: 18ms
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">(steam:18363): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_settings_schema_source_lookup: assertion `source != NULL' failed
</span>
hollyberries,

Oh damn, you’re using the snap version of Steam, this is unfortunately outside of my area of experience :(

Some key error messages I see are:


<span style="color:#323232;">/home/pokko/snap/steam/common/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/steamwebhelper.sh: line 53: /proc/sys/kernel/unprivileged_userns_clone: Permission denied
</span><span style="color:#323232;">/home/pokko/snap/steam/common/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/steamwebhelper.sh: line 60: /proc/sys/user/max_user_namespaces: Permission denied
</span>

and


<span style="color:#323232;">flock /usr/share/fonts/truetype/liberation/LiberationSans-Regular.ttf LOCK_SH failed. errno = 13vkEnumeratePhysicalDevices failed, unable to init and enumerate GPUs with Vulkan.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">BInit - Unable to initialize Vulkan!
</span>

You’ve got permission errors and a GPU driver issue somewhere, likely related to the permission errors. The flock errors stand out to me also, as they are fonts. Maybe required fonts for the game to run?

Critical_Insight,

I’ve been using Linux for only a couple of weeks and all this is complete hebrew to me. I have no clue what is snap version of steam.

hollyberries,

Thankfully someone stepped in about snap… I don’t like it and would have gone on a rant without circling back to the issue on hand lmao

As recommended somewhere up the chain, try a different version of Proton. Support for your hardware may have been deprecated.

From here, I’m out of my element. Best of luck, sorry I couldn’t have been of more help!

Ozy,

I’m not trying to steal hollyberry’s job here but here is my understanding of snaps (and why they aren’t good).

Snaps were created by Canonical (The company behind Ubuntu) to fix the issue of inconsistent dependencies. The problem with the format is that the market is proprietary and they just aren’t very good. Also they perform somewhat worse than Appimages and Flatpak.

Personally I reccomend you look into Flatpak, as it’s a better sandboxing format than snap is.

Also the reason you ended up with the SNAP version of steam is because Ubuntu prioritizes the snap version over the native version when using


<span style="color:#323232;">apt install steam 
</span>
itslilith, (edited )
@itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

the last part is not true, apt installs things natively. Ubuntu software (the graphical app store) uses snap, however

I stand corrected. The apt packages on Ubuntu sometimes just install snaps under the hood. really strange move by Canonical

Critical_Insight,

How would I go about checking which version mine is? Atleast it isn’t in the snap folder.

Critical_Insight,

Yeah I installed Steam using the Ubuntu app store. Now I’m trying to uninstall it but it’s been going on for an hour and doesn’t seem to be progressing anywhere.

itslilith,
@itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m sorry you’re having such a bad experience. It should be as simple as uninstalling in the Ubuntu store, and then reinstalling either using apt or flatpak. Is the uninstall not working?

Critical_Insight,

I need no try again. The uninstall failed the first time. It got stuck at 80% or so. I’ve had so much issues with Linux from the start that I’m getting suspicious about wether it’s a hardware issue.

Para_lyzed,

The uninstalling issue almost certainly isn’t hardware related, Ubuntu’s app store is just a pile of hot garbage. Stuff like that happens all the time, or at least that was my experience years ago when I used Ubuntu, one of the (many) reasons I no longer recommend Ubuntu to new users.

As for the Steam issues, it’s probably a mix of software and hardware issues. It seems there are some permissions issues (likely caused by snap), but it also seems like there are GPU driver issues. What GPU do you have? If you have an Nvidia card, have you installed their drivers? There is also a very real possibility that your card is so old that DayZ is no longer compatible with it (which may be the case given that it wasn’t working in Windows, but to be fair Windows 7 is incredibly out of date and doesn’t receive updates so it could have also been a software/driver issue there).

Critical_Insight, (edited )

My GPU is just a few years old GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER and I just updated the drivers from 535 to 545 but no difference. However I’ve gotten a prompt saying that Steam needs nvidia-driver-libs:i386 so I’m not sure if I should install that instead or in addition to the ones I already have.

I still haven’t been able to uninstall steam snap(?) either. I’d like to try the non-snap version using terminal but I don’t know how to proceed. I’m sorry I’m such a novice with Linux. I’m feeling like my replies are really unhelpful.

EDIT: No luck trying to install the other drivers. All I got is this:

https://i.imgur.com/0wI1bSs.png

Para_lyzed,

If you were to open the Software & Updates app and go to Additional Drivers, does the driver package you tested say it comes from Nvidia and it is “(proprietary, tested)”? If so, then your drivers should be fine. nvidia-driver-libs:i386 is 32-bit, so I don’t know why you would need that installed unless DayZ is only compatible with 32-bit drivers for some reason. I have Steam installed on my Fedora install, and I don’t have any 32-bit Nvidia drivers installed but everything works perfectly. That’s a separate issue altogether, and I don’t recommend running 32-bit drivers unless your system is 32-bit. Can you copy the “System Details” window in the About tab of the Settings app? It should have Hardware and Software information like the CPU, GPU, windowing system, etc. There are a few things that could cause issues that I might be able to glean from that.

I’m on Fedora, but since it’s running Gnome it should theoretically look the same. You access the system details here:

SystemDetails

CopySystemDetails

Here’s what mine looks like for reference:

# System Details Report

Report details

  • Date generated: 2024-01-10 07:58:06

Hardware Information:

  • Hardware Model: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ASUS TUF Dash F15 FX516PM_FX516PM
  • Memory: 16.0 GiB
  • Processor: 11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-11370H × 8
  • Graphics: Intel® Xe Graphics (TGL GT2)
  • Graphics 1: NVIDIA GeForce RTX™ 3060 Laptop GPU
  • Disk Capacity: 1.0 TB

Software Information:

  • Firmware Version: FX516PM.329
  • OS Name: Fedora Linux 39 (Workstation Edition)
  • OS Build: (null)
  • OS Type: 64-bit
  • GNOME Version: 45.2
  • Windowing System: X11
  • Kernel Version: Linux 6.6.9-200.fc39.x86_64

To uninstall the steam snap, you should be able to open up a terminal and type the following:


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo snap remove steam
</span>

And assuming that works, to install the native version of Steam (which should be what’s installed anyway, but Canonical is pushing their proprietary snap BS that has never worked well), this should apparently work (I don’t have an Ubuntu install to test on though):


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo add-apt-repository multiverse
</span><span style="color:#323232;">sudo apt update
</span><span style="color:#323232;">sudo apt install steam
</span>

If it prompts you for anything, you can just confirm by typing “y”. I’d recommend you check that it isn’t installing the snap version, but I don’t know how to guide you to do that, really. I haven’t used a distro with the Aptitude package manager in over 5 years.

Of course, it probably isn’t helpful, but I’d recommend avoiding vanilla Ubuntu if you aren’t already too deeply invested. Linux Mint seems to be a common recommendation for new users and it’s based off Ubuntu, but in all honesty I’d probably recommend Nobara (gaming focused and more user friendly version of Fedora). That way you don’t get snaps shoved down your throat by Canonical, which break things constantly. Up to you if you want to install another OS though; in theory you shouldn’t need to, and there should be a way to resolve these issues with your current install.

Critical_Insight, (edited )

Yeah the unistallation gets stuck with terminal aswell. It managed to break steam so it no longer opens but wont remove it either. Guess I’ll just try and install it again via terminal nevertheless.

https://i.imgur.com/wcOXBSr.png

Para_lyzed,

Unless it errors out, it should eventually finish. But if you cancelled it, then just purge remove the snap like the following:


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo snap remove --purge steam
</span>

That should skip the data backup when removing. I’ve seen reports of other users that this backup process sometimes takes 10-20 minutes with the default remove command, even with small programs. Blame Canonical for that one.

Critical_Insight, (edited )

I wonder if this command would clear out the remaining files from the snap install that appears to have been left behind? Since the game is now working I’m afraid to tweak anything more so that I don’t mess it up again

Para_lyzed,

No, it wouldn’t since the steam snap isn’t installed anymore. But you can clear out the left over snapshot of it manually. Just use sudo snap saved, find the entry that says steam, and sudo snap forget

If there is no steam entry listed, then there’s nothing else you have to do.

Critical_Insight, (edited )

The drivers I had before were proprietary and tested but the ones I updated to now (545) are just proprietary. Earlier I got this message so that’s why I’m trying to install the 32 bit drivers too though it worked just fine before without them.

https://i.imgur.com/HoCIbGz.png

Here’s my system info. I’ll try uninstalling steam again now.

# System Details Report

Report details

  • Date generated: 2024-01-10 18:28:58

Hardware Information:

  • Hardware Model: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5Q-PRO
  • Memory: 12.0 GiB
  • Processor: Intel® Core™2 Quad Q9450 × 4
  • Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER
  • Disk Capacity: 1.5 TB

Software Information:

  • Firmware Version: 1613
  • OS Name: Ubuntu 23.10
  • OS Build: (null)
  • OS Type: 64-bit
  • GNOME Version: 45.1
  • Windowing System: X11
  • Kernel Version: Linux 6.5.0-14-generic
Para_lyzed,

By the way, if you still have issues after the native Steam install and it gives you the same 32-bit driver warning, you should be able to resolve it with the following:


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
</span><span style="color:#323232;">sudo apt update
</span><span style="color:#323232;">sudo apt install nvidia-driver-libs:i386
</span>

That is of course assuming that the error message you pasted in another thread gave the correct package name, which is not a guarantee. It should have automatically been installed as a dependency to Steam if it was installed through apt though, so I don’t feel like that will necessarily be a solution.

Critical_Insight, (edited )

Yeah I actually saw that on an article while googling about it. I ran the code but haven’t managed to test it yet. Trying again with the different steam version in a moment. I think I saw something about i386 scroll by while it was installing.

Para_lyzed,

I spun up an Ubuntu VM, and while it won’t have Nvidia drivers listed (since it doesn’t have GPU passthrough), this should be similar to what you should have seen when installing:

Screenshot from 2024-01-10 11-14-42

Pretty much all those are i386 packages (32-bit), so you shouldn’t need to enable the architecture in your version of Ubuntu, it should automatically happen (I didn’t need to use sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386). Of course I did this on Ubuntu 22.04 because it’s a VM I already had, but it should be very similar to 23.10

Critical_Insight,

Well I ran the code anyway so I hope that’s okay. Really appreciate the help man.

Para_lyzed,

Yeah, enabling i386 won’t hurt anything. Has your issue been resolved, or are there still errors?

neurospice,

Isn’t apt install firefox meant to install the snap version?

itslilith,
@itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

that would be really weird. snap install firefox or clicking “Install” in Ubuntu Software installs the snap, apt install firefox installs from the apt repositories

neurospice,

I think I first read about it from here: omgubuntu.co.uk/…/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-…

I’ve never tested it, but some of my friends mentioned snaps getting installed via ‘apt’

itslilith,
@itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

huh, after some more research it seems you’re right. that seems… scummy

jacktherippah, in GNOME Shell & Mutter 46 Alpha Released - Phoronix

Cool but when is GNOME gonna do fractional scaling without half the apps I use going blurry?

Guenther_Amanita,

I don’t understand the downvotes.

This isn’t only an app issue, it’s the implementation in Mutter.

On KDE for example, I’ve set 150% fractional scaling, and all apps look sharp.

I was really hyped when the recent update introduced “proper” fractional scaling, and was bummed when I noticed it didn’t work in many of my apps, especially Electron ones.

dabu,
@dabu@lemmy.world avatar

When half of the apps your’re using start supporting wayland properly

allywilson, in Flakes aren't real and cannot hurt you: a guide to using Nix flakes the non-flake way

Not going to lie, I think I lost interest after the 3rd reference to “Nix” and there being no guide as to whether it means Unix-like, Nix (the plan9 fork), NixOS (Linux distro), Nix (the package manager) or something referred to as “The Nix Language”

robobrain,

Those last three are roughly the same topic and the subject of the article

priapus,

Nix the package manager uses the Nix language, and NixOS is a distro built on top of it. They’re all part of the same topic, and the article was talking about that.

theshatterstone54, in Happy new year of the Linux Desktop!

I firmly believe this will be the year of the Wayland Desktop. Everything is shaping up to finishing off the transition for regular people and further stabilisation of the Wayland desktop space.

TornadoRex,

As someone who dabbles in Linux but is ultimately a regular people, what’s the advantage of this?

theshatterstone54,

A unified, bug-free, performant and featureful display stack to ensure people can use things like Variable refresh rate, which, iirc, is an impossibility on X11.

TornadoRex,

That’s pretty awesome. I imagine this would be a huge advantage with the growth of Linux gaming too

theshatterstone54,

Yeah, it could be and it will be

Bogasse,

I suppose the Steam Deck experience would be a bit worse if it wasn’t running on Wayland 👍

visor841,

The games on Steam Deck are already running in Wayland using gamescope IIRC

CraigeryTheKid,

Wait, what? I’m on PopOS, with Nvidia GPU, and my “g-sync” VRR works fine.

theshatterstone54,

PopOS uses GNOME which hopefully uses Wayland

CraigeryTheKid,

I can confirm that PopOS 22.04 is definitely running on X. wayland is officially coming when Cosmic releases.

That said, I see that Wayland is “available” if I want to manually switch to it - but it is definitely disabled as a default (and current) setting.

misophist, (edited )

This won’t be the year of the Wayland desktop for me unless I can afford to replace my Nvidia card this year. I’ll never buy one again, but I’ve still gotta suffer with the one I have a bit longer.

patatahooligan,
@patatahooligan@lemmy.world avatar

By the time you’re ready to buy a new card, Nvidia might be working well under wayland. They’ve already made significant changes in the past couple of years, like implementing GBM and hardware accelerated XWayland. To my understanding, this MR will also fix some remaining issues in the future. I don’t know how much more work needs to be done after that, but just the fact they are cooperating with the free software ecosystem is a good sign.

Perhaps more importantly, the free nouveau driver can now experimentally reclock nvidia gpus from the 2000 series and newer. With this breakthrough it is possible that nouveau + nvk will be able to compete with the proprietary driver in the near future. If/when we have a well-supported free driver, we will probably have proper wayland support as well.

I’m not really in a hurry to switch to Nvidia. I’ve been quite happy with my AMD cards so far. But it’s definitely a good thing to have the option to buy from any vendor.

misophist,

Oh yeah, I’m also keeping a eye on that. Every time I see nvidia pop up in my updates, I try logging into Wayland and doing my usual tasks. If it starts working, that’ll just let me extend the life of this card. I’ll probably still strongly consider switching flavors with my next card.

theshatterstone54,

I’d suggest you check out NVK.

Spectacle8011,
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NVK is looking to be a viable replacement for general desktop computing in a few months, so long as you don’t need NVENC and any of the other stuff.

amju_wolf,
@amju_wolf@pawb.social avatar

As someone using Wayland on a HiDPI screen it’s not a great experience with legacy apps. You can’t completely rely on application-controlled scaling since not all apps support it and if you switch to system-wide scaling everything looks like crap.

const_void, (edited )

Which apps? I’ve discovered recently Electron apps can enable Wayland support with a command line argument.

amju_wolf,
@amju_wolf@pawb.social avatar

Just last time it was free:ac; I had to change to system scaling because it would be unreadable otherwise, and that in turn fucked up Steam that I had managed to configure properly before.

Bogasse,

But isn’t that still on par with xorg where you can’t have any fractional scaling?

amju_wolf,
@amju_wolf@pawb.social avatar

To be fair I haven’t tried. But I believe even at 2x scaling it looked like shit.

priapus,

Integer scaling works perfectly, even with legacy apps. Fractional scaling works great with native apps.

exu,

*every application using xWayland looks like crap.

Native Wayland apps work great with fractional scaling.

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

This is what wayland said every year lol.

olafurp,

KDE 6 will have Wayland by default, on track to release Feb 2024.

azvasKvklenko,

nobody would say that one year ago far as my memory goes, and it’s reasonable thing to say now. Personally I expected some break-throughs that have happened in 2023 to take much longer.

LeFantome,

Source?

We have been hearing about “The Year of the Linux Desktop” for 20 years I think and Linux has less than 5% share.

In contrast, I do not remember hearing “The Year of the Wayland Desktop” until recently. I have been hearing “Wayland is the future” forever but it has been correct the whole time.

By the time we enter 2025, I am not sure there will be a major desktop environment that does not support Wayland and many distros and DEs will be Wayland by default or even Wayland only. That is already happening. Valve may have ditched X by then and it feels like that is where most new Linux users are going to come from. It seems quite unlikely that Wayland market share on the Linux Desktop will be less than 75%.

I am not saying this is “The Year of the Wayland Desktop” but I would feel foolish publicly betting against it.

java,

I don’t understand this fetish. Every day I read about problems people have with Wayland, while I’ve been using X for the past 15 years without any issues.

LeFantome,

I have been using X since 1992 with lots of issues. I do not understand the fetish with X11 and why people cling to it so tightly.

java,

If that was true, we would be on Wayland for years. But in reality, it proves minor improvements versus heavy investments to migrate from X. And that’s why it’s still a fetish and not a standard.

Loucypher,

Wayland is better at segmenting each app. On X any app could potentially see/record what happen on the entire screen while on Wayland that requires you do manually grant the rights. Similar to how macOS is requesting you to give each app the possibility to record your screen or not.

java,

That’s an improvement. But risk = impact * probability. Realistically, the probability of installing such an app from repos is virtually non-existent. My point is that Wayland comes with some improvements, but I’ve been seeing comments like the one I replied to for almost 15 years, as if Wayland will revolutionize Linux desktop. It won’t. Probably most users won’t see any difference, except for bugs caused by the migration.

jw13,

The probability of abuse is much higher with closed-source applications though. Almost all popular games are closed-source, and many are riddled with ads and spyware.

0xtero, in Happy new year of the Linux Desktop!

Maybe we’ll climb to 4% marketshare!

dino, in Some of y'all need to see this and drop the superiority complex...

This is how mac user do statistics?

JackRiddle,

This is how people make jokes

dino,

its not even funny?

mnmalst, in A Gamer's Descent into Linux Lunacy (Switching to Linux) [video 48:15]

uploaded Dec 24, 2022

GustavoM,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

…and also, good ol’ baby duck syndrome.

Even then, gaming was 100% doable/acceptable at that time. Even not (just) a year back, but a COUPLE years back.

SmoochyPit,

That was just a few weeks ago, right? Right???

Guenther_Amanita, (edited ) in Steam not launching games - no idea what to do [Solved]

First - post upvoted because of the detailled report. Helpful. Thanks!


I’ve had the same problem a longer while ago.

Do you really have this few games in your library? I haven’t used the normal Steam mode for a while, but on your game list is a small Penguin. I believe that’s due to the filter “show Linux native only”.
If you forgot to activate Proton, go into the Steam settings, gameplay and hit the checkbox “Compatibility for other games”. Use that all the time, even for Linux native games. They are usually way buggier than the Windows version, and Proton works great today.


Second, if you are already using Proton and my first guess is wrong, use another Proton version. Either the most recent one (proton-experimental), an older one or the “proton-GE” versions.


What distro are you using?

Did you try using Flatpak instead of the native package? Maybe, there’s something missing in the native app.

Oh, and I also wouldn’t worry much about the firmware errors and such. This panel is very new and some things are basically impossible to archive. But don’t trust my statement, maybe I’m wrong.

Critical_Insight,

Do you really have this few games in your library?

Yes. I don’t play anything else except DayZ currently.

Second, if you are already using Proton and my first guess is wrong, use another Proton version.

Yeah I had all this enabled. The game worked perfectly before and then just all of a sudden stopped launching. I tired Proton 8 and 7 aswell but no difference.

What distro are you using?

Ubuntu

Did you try using Flatpak instead of the native package?

I was using the snap version of Steam that I had installed from Ubuntu App Store. I uninstalled it and installed the native version using terminal. Obviously I had to re-download and re-install the game aswell and it started working again after that. I’m not entirely sure what was causing the issue in the first place but I’m suspecting it was an issue in the steam app itself. What is curious though is that the exactly same issue occured to me previously with Windows 7 aswell and judging by the reports online, I’m not the only one.

The problem is however solved - atleast for now, and that’s the most important thing. Thanks for the help though! The assistance I got from this community is invaluable. I’d be completely stuck with this on my own.

Norgur, in Steam Linux Marketshare Surges To Nearly 2% In November

Can we talk about the definition of a "surge", please!

joshhsoj1902,

What percentage increase do you feel is required for surge to be a reasonable definition. A 35% increase feels surge-y me.

agame,

Sergei?

CheesyFox,

sir gay?

porksoda,

It’s not the percentage total but the speed of increase.

ImFresh3x, (edited )

It’s not just a percentage thing. 1 person yesterday to 2 people today is a 100% increase. Not much of a surge, at least in terms of news worthiness. Going from 6% to 10% sounds more news worthy than going from 1% to 2% despite the latter being a much larger percentage increase.

sekhat,

Considering the many millions of steam accounts. A 1% increase is nothing to sniff at.

joshhsoj1902,

Of course, percentage just help show relativity. It’s why people can look at a 0.5% increase and dismiss it as not significant.

Would it help if I translated the percentage for you? Linux surged 600000 to 2.3 million.

soggy_kitty,

The council planted a new tree on my road, trees surged in population from 1 to 2 yesterday

ChairmanMeow,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

Given the sheer amount of Steam users, it’s still not a bad increase.

hdnsmbt,

100% surge is legit

joshhsoj1902,

That’s why we’re talking about relative percentages.

In your example we would need to know how many trees existed on your road/city before. If there were less than 3 or 4 trees in your city before this, saying there was a surge is likely fine.

soggy_kitty,

I gave you that information, I said “from 1 to 2” and added context of “a tree” (singular)

My terribly made point is that although technically correct when talking about relative increase it’s dumb as fuck to say trees “surged in population” after adding just one more on one street. It’s a drop on the ocean.

I feel like the term surge respects the final total relative to what its maximum could be as well as the relative increase. But obviously language is regional and up for interpretation

brax,

A delicious canned energy drink from the 90s.

grue,

Josta was better.

soggy_kitty,

Click bait media

vynlwombat, in What's your experiences with Debian and Rocky as a homeserver OS?

What would you like to do with your home server?

PrivateNoob,

Ahh yeah I have forgot to mention that.

  • Jellyfin
  • Onedrive alternative (probably Nextcloud)
  • Personal website + it’s backend, or just the backend
  • Pi-hole
  • Probably other ideas which seems fun to host
huskypenguin,

I would do Truenas scale + portainer

PrivateNoob,

Honestly yeah, that’s the more productive option, but I want to learn setting up things by myself.

haui_lemmy,

Hi! Here’s you, like 2 yrs down the road. I have no opinion on the server OS since I started with ubuntu server but my projects went a similar direction.

One major thing I’d recommend is thinking about security: web facing servers with your private data on it are a very bad idea. So unless you mean a website for personal use, I’d split the “home” server and the “personal web server” or vps in two so you have the stuff you want others to use unsupervised and the stuff you use at home and from the road.

Another thought is bandwith, unless you have insane upload, I’d stay away from web facing stuff like websites, game servers and social media instances. This works on a cheap vps with gigabit bandwith up and down. Way less hassle and less security issues.

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