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blakeashleyjr, in What's a true fact that is so misleading it's borderline misinformation?

You are much more likely to die in a hospital than anywhere else.

Gangreless,

I don’t think this one is true, unless you mean it a different way than I’m interpreting it.

www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc1911892#:~:tex…)%20to%20534%2C714%20(20.8%25).

(This is the US)

atheos,
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Wait until you hear the fatality rate for hospice residents

Glide, in What's a true fact that is so misleading it's borderline misinformation?

As ice cream sales in the United States increase, so do deaths in in developed parts of Africa.

I use this fact to explain to students how true information can be used to mislead people into drawing wild, deranged conclusions.

The commonality in these events is the rise in temperature during the summer. But if you leave that out, there’s an absurd argument to be made about how purchasing ice cream is inherently evil.

I don’t think it’s an amazing example of what OP is talking about, but as an example, I like how simple and easy to follow it is. Great for junior high level kids.

Nadalofsoccer,

According to a new study published by the University of Berchul, eating ice cream can make you be in risk of drowning.

counselwolf,

Is this related to correlation is not causation?

Saneless,

Correlation at least tries to imply they’re related. As lottery sales go up in your household so does credit card debt. Not always a cause but they’re related

You’re looking for spurious correlations which is when numbers have no business even being used in a comparison

Firefly7, in What's a true fact that is so misleading it's borderline misinformation?
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Dihydrogen Monoxide, commonly used in laundry detergent and other cleaning supplies, is also present in Subway sandwiches

Dirk,
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It can even be found in unborn babies!

madmaurice,
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They even put it into the water supply.

frap129,

FACT: 100% of people that consume Dihydrogen Monoxide die.

__forward__,

Wrong, a mortality of 94.5% has been shown not even close to 100%.

pancakes,
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One could say that people who haven’t died yet don’t have a cause of death yet so they can’t be counted.

OwenEverbinde, (edited ) in What's a true fact that is so misleading it's borderline misinformation?
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I don’t know if this counts, since it’s only a “true fact” if you are fine with carefully chosen words and the omission of crucial information…

But the 13-50 stat is dangerously misleading.

You know,

Black people make up 13% of the population, but 50% of the violent crime.

Black people in America do, in fact, make up 50% of the murder arrests according to FBI crime statistics

That much is true.

But certain people tend to use this fact to assert that police officers are far more likely to be killed by black people than by white people. Therefore, the stats that show them brutalizing black people at a higher rate – since they fall short of that 50% number – are evidence that they hold back around black people to avoid appearing racist.

The users of this stat heavily imply black people are more violent and murder-prone, and hence a greater threat. The argument also carries with it an implied benefit to eugenics or a return to slavery (to anyone paying attention.)

But no one using this stat ever explores potential causes for the arrest rate disparity, instead letting their viewers assume it comes from “black culture” (if they are closeted racists) or “bad genes” (if they are open racists).

There’s no attention paid to the fact that black people make up over half of overturned wrongful convictions

There’s no attention paid to the stats further down in that same FBI crime stats table that make it clear that black people make up 25% of the nation’s drug arrests, despite making up close to 13% of the US’s total drug users. (Their population’s rate of drug use is within a margin of error of white people’s rate of drug use). It should be strange that a small portion of the perpetrators of drug crimes make up such an outsized portion of the total drug arrests in this country. But the disparity doesn’t even get a mention.

There’s no attention paid to the fact that more than half of US murders go unsolved, meaning even assuming impartial sentencing and prosecution, we would only know black people committed 50% OF 50% of the murders – 25%. And in a country where 98% of the land is owned by white people and the public defender system is in shambles? Which demographic do you think would be able to afford the best defense, avoiding conviction even when guilty, and ending up overrepresented in the “unsolved murder” category? If only 50% of murders end in a conviction, that means every murderer who walks into a courtroom has a solid chance at getting away with it. Even more solid if the murderer belongs to the richest race. The murder arrest rate by race winds up just being a measure of which demographics can afford the best lawyers, rather than any proportional representation of each demographic’s tendencies.

They mention none of that. The people hawking this statistic intentionally lead their viewers to assume, “arrested for murder” is equivalent to “guilty of murder.” And that 50% of the murder arrests is equivalent to 50% of the total murders. The entire demographic is assumed to be more dangerous.

Rhoeri,
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This guy facts.

tom,

Excellent explanation, thanks.

OwenEverbinde,
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My pleasure.

humanreader,

I’ve seen similar stuff multiple times, often with misquoted statistics. What many miss is that context is as important as stats.

RIPSync, in What's a true fact that is so misleading it's borderline misinformation?

Wearing your seatbelt increases your chances of dying from cancer.

pizza_pineapple,

How?

CmdrShepard,

You’ll live longer.

GiantRobotTRex,

If you die from cancer you can’t die from a car wreck.

Kingofthezyx,

Other way around, for the purposes of this joke, but yes.

owenfromcanada,
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It increases your chance of drowning, but not for the reason people usually think.

Holli25,

This one is great! Made me think way too much

vd1n, in What anime world would you rather not live in?

Pokemon, my trigger finger would get so tired.

PatFussy, in What does an ideal world look like to you?

My ideal world is always communism where everyone has a role and those roles only export is prosperity and happiness. Something like the Rajneesh movement. It is deeply flawed and will never work globally but its a nice thought.

If you would have asked people 100 years ago they would be saying what we are living in today is the utopia. So this is always going to be a moving goalpost.

chaogomu,

I'd take things a bit further than just communism. I'd imagine a world where farm and factory are all largely automated and publicly owned.

Anyone who wants a role has one, but no one is punished for not. Housing and food are guaranteed to all, as are most small luxuries.

Want to make the world a better place? Do it. Science and Tech would be fully funded. Want to sit around and just sort of live? Sure, you get UBI.

The only work places not owned by the workers would be the ones owned by government. If it's an essential service, it's government owned and government operated. If it's for fun, then sure, let some people get together and work toward making something fun.

Another change; copyright and patent law would be maxed at 14 years. That number has actually been shown to be when 97% of the profit is made on most copyrighted work. This one change would open up so much potential for public domain creativity.

I'd allow for continuing trademark of character, if they were in continuing use. i.e. a sort of serialization exemption to the copyright limits. If the author keeps putting out new material, they get to keep a form of control over their works, but if they stop, then it's all public domain.

I may have put a lot of thought into this over the years, and parts would still likely need to be adjusted during implementation.

Nobsi, in Which is the most satisfying IO connector system, in your opinion?
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My first is RJ45, it’s so clicky.
After that is everything held together by magnets. I bought a cheap magnet microusb cable for charging my headphones. It’s like magsafe but way weaker.

TurnItOff_OnAgain,

Fuck a boot though. When trying to remove a bunch at once they just get in the way.

TheButtonJustSpins, in People from the "hotter" regions, how do you deal with the heat?

In FL: Air conditioning.

In HI: Breezes, fans.

ChemicalRascal, in What does an ideal world look like to you?
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Realistically? Something a lot like what we currently have, but with everyone having access to prompt healthcare, living in comfort. A focus on community and cooperation being more dominant in the culture, rather than competition and comparison.

dosesingko, in People from the "hotter" regions, how do you deal with the heat?

If the dew point is favorable at least, then drinking Hot Coffee and let myself sweat in front of an Electric Fan. If it is very humid, Ice on neck or taking a cold shower.

If I had to go outside or Air conditioning at the office broke, then I’d wear light clothing where sweat is easier to evaporate

Otherwise, I’d just use air conditioning and eat up the electricity cost, fuck this weather.

Nougat, in What does an ideal world look like to you?

Everyone has easy access to everything they need.

wanderingmagus, in What does an ideal world look like to you?

You never set a time frame. So here’s a far distant future vision.

Ideal? I think far, far greater scale.

Imagine a world where technology and science has reached its absolute zenith, where things we view as impossible miracles are a reality. Entire worlds appearing from nothingness, wholly formed and terraformed to perfection, in the blink of an eye, on a whim. The power to rearrange the stars of the sky like sand on the shores of an infinite sea.

Absolute immortality for all who desire it, unaging, with the ability to appear and become anything you desire - male or female, anthropomorphic or otherwise. Dysmorphia, sickness, hunger, disease, all forgotten concepts of a distant past.

The very fabric of space and time bends, and any child can travel at whim to the heart of a star without harm, walk effortlessly upon the surface of a neutron star, explore the vastness of distant galaxies with a single step.

Those with conflicting philosophies can craft their own worlds, experimenting with what they believe things should be like, and compare their findings.

A pipe dream utopia? The science is there in theory, though separated from us by countless eons of time. Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, as Arthur C Clarke once said. Utility fog, ship of theseus style immortality and more await, if we can come together as one.

aCosmicWave,

What a beautiful picture, thank you! You have a very nice way with words.

wanderingmagus,

Thanks! I like writing every now and then, and I’ve had this very image stuck in my head for a long while.

intensely_human, in People from the "hotter" regions, how do you deal with the heat?

I’ve discovered that if I have one little air conditioned place I can go, then I don’t actually need to be in it for it to be a relief.

Just knowing that after this day in the year I’ll have a place to cool off really helps.

Chetzemoka, in What does an ideal world look like to you?

I'm deeply skeptical of any and all utopian ideas. They have this mysterious tendency to wander down paths to authoritarianism because we, as a species, are more defined by our ideas of who and what we are than by anything else in our existence.

When an idea becomes an ideal, people become willing to kill or die in attempts to bring that ideal to fruition, no matter how vain.

In fact, this is how I self-edit my own beliefs about the world and myself. "If the cards were all really on the table, would I be willing to proudly die in defense of this idea?" If the answer is yes, then I cling to that as an ideal that I strive toward.

All human lives matter equally.
It is important to lift up those who have less than I do.
Any small effort to alleviate the suffering of my fellow humans is meaningful.
There is always hope.

That is the utopia I choose to live in deliberately every day, and what I appreciate most is that it is resilient to the whims and chaos of this world that I can't control.

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