Glide,

As ice cream sales in the United States increase, so do deaths in in developed parts of Africa.

I use this fact to explain to students how true information can be used to mislead people into drawing wild, deranged conclusions.

The commonality in these events is the rise in temperature during the summer. But if you leave that out, there’s an absurd argument to be made about how purchasing ice cream is inherently evil.

I don’t think it’s an amazing example of what OP is talking about, but as an example, I like how simple and easy to follow it is. Great for junior high level kids.

Nadalofsoccer,

According to a new study published by the University of Berchul, eating ice cream can make you be in risk of drowning.

counselwolf,

Is this related to correlation is not causation?

Saneless,

Correlation at least tries to imply they’re related. As lottery sales go up in your household so does credit card debt. Not always a cause but they’re related

You’re looking for spurious correlations which is when numbers have no business even being used in a comparison

Windex007,

Women have smaller brains than men.

I mean, yes. Women as a population are physically smaller than men as a population.

Women have smaller fingers than men. Smaller eyes. Smaller lungs. There is no “gotcha” that smaller skeletal frames with smaller skulls contain, by volume, a smaller organ.

Doesnt mean every man’s brain is larger than every woman’s brain either.

Doesn’t mean men are smarter than women.

It’s just a statistic, that while true, doesn’t imply what some people think it does.

vis4valentine,
@vis4valentine@lemmy.ml avatar

People use to say that you cant lie with statistics, but is a common practice to use statistics to lie.

We can take the infamous 41% suicide rate for trans people. Transphobes throw that out like a killing move implying that trans people are inherently unhappy and being trans is a mental illness (which is not true).

The reality is that the suicide rate is so high because of transphobia, kids getting thrown out of home, homelessness, unable to find a job, staying at the closet to avoid social consecuences, etc.

Trans people who live in more open and accepting environments are way less likely to be depressed and commit suicide. In progresive areas where trans people are more accepted the suicide rate is nowhere near 41%.

erogenouswarzone,
@erogenouswarzone@lemmy.ml avatar

When you think about data it actually gets really scary really quick. I have a Master’s in Data Analytics.

First, data is “collected.”

  • So, a natural question is “Who are they collecting data from?”
  • Typically it’s a sample of a population - meant to be representative of that population, which is nice and all.
  • But if you dig deeper you have to ask “Who is taking time out of their day to answer questions?” “How are they asked?” “Why haven’t I ever been asked?” “Would I even want to give up my time to respond to a question from a stranger?”
  • So then who is being asked? And perhaps more importantly, who has time to answer?
  • Spoiler alert: typically it’s people who think their opinions are very important. Do you know people like that? Would you trust the things they claim are facts?
  • Do the data collectors know what demographic an answer represents? An important part of data collection is anonymity - knowing certain things about the answerer could skew the data.
  • Are you being represented in the “data”? Would you even know if you were or weren’t?
  • And what happens if respondents lie? Would the data collector have any idea?

And that’s just collecting the data, the first step in the process of collecting data, extracting information, and creating knowledge.

Next is “cleaning” the data.

  • When data is collected it’s messy.
  • There are some data points that are just deleted. For instance, something considered an outlier. And they have an equation for this, and this equation as well as the outliers it identifies should be analyzed constantly. Are they?
  • How is the data being cleaned? How much will it change the answers?
  • Between what systems is the data transferred? Are they state-of-the-art or some legacy system that no one currently alive understands?
  • Do the people analyzing the data know how this works?

So then, after the data is put through many unknown processes, you’re left with a set of data to analyze.

  • How is it being analyzed? Is the analyzer creating the methodology for analysis for every new set of data or are they running it through a system that someone else built eons ago?
  • How often are these models audited? You’d need a group of people that understand the code as well as the data as well as the model as well as the transitional nature of the data.

Then you have outside forces, and this might be scariest of all.

  • The best way to describe this is to tell a story: In the 2016 presidential race, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were the top candidates for the Democratic and Republican parties. There was a lot of tension, but basically everyone on the left could not fathom people voting for Trump. (In 2023 this seems outrageous, but it was a real blind spot at the time).
  • All media outlets were predicting a landslide victory for Clinton. But then, as we all know I’m sure, the unbelievable happened: Trump won the electoral college. Why didn’t the data predict that?
  • It turns out one big element was purposeful skewing of the results. There was such a media outrage about Trump that no one wanted to be the source that predicted a Trump victory for fear of being labeled a Trump supporter or Q-Anon fear-monger, so a lot of them just changed the results.
  • Let me say that again, they changed their own findings on purpose for fear of what would happen to them. And because of this lack of reporting real results, a lot of people that probably would’ve voted for Clinton, didn’t go to the polls.
  • And then, if you can believe it, the same thing happened in 2020. Even though Biden ultimately won, the predicted stats were way wrong. Again, according to the data Biden should have been comfortably able to defeat Trump, but it was one of the closest presidential races in history. In fact, many believe, if not for Covid, Trump would have won. And this, at least a little, contributed to the capital riots.
6mementomori,

Oh yeah. I might say some wrong stuff since I’m quite ignorant but. Statistics is messy and I tend to avoid including too much stats in my projects, although sometimes I accidentally end up blindly doing so and believing them also drawing inaccurate conclusions. Physical stats are even messier because not everybody has the competence to accurately understand what they mean, or sometimes we just don’t understand the world enough. Environmental science data is an example of that. I rely on other people’s analyses cause I can’t read them. I don’t know much about politics.

theburninator,

The average human has less than 2 arms.

LemmyRefugee,

And half a penis.

GregoryBluehorse,

On average, humans have just under 3 inches of penis.

lauha,

Average arm has less than one human

CanadaPlus,

Haha, that’s even weirder sounding.

kenbw2,

Is that world wide or in a specific country?

President_Pyrus,
@President_Pyrus@feddit.dk avatar

Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.

Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.

Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.

DHMO is a major component of acid rain.

Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.

Contributes to soil erosion.

Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.

Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.

Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.

Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.

Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.

Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.

Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

www.dhmo.org/facts.html#DANGERS

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

One of my favorite Brian Regan bits kinda fits, maybe?

“In 1939, Germany invaded Poland. One thing led to another and the United States of America dropped two atomic bombs on the sovereign nation of Japan.”

SelfHigh5,

The large percent of traffic accidents that take place within 5 miles of home. Most people only cover a fairly small radius on a day to day basis so it makes sense if there is an accident, it’s close to home and not 80 miles away… just on average of how far how often you drive. Makes it seem like neighbourhoods are more dangerous than highways or something.

6mementomori,

that is actually an interesting way to think about it

metic,
@metic@lemmy.world avatar

Several (attempted) murderers have owned copies of The Catcher in the Rye.

JuxtaposedJaguar,

“Vending machines are more deadly than sharks”.

While it’s true that (at least for some years) more people are killed by vending machine accidents than shark attacks, your personal risk depends on what you do. If you’re a vending machine factory worker who never goes into the ocean, you’re far more likely to be killed by a vending machine than a shark. But if you live in a part of the world that doesn’t have vending machines and you swim in the ocean every day, the reverse is true.

MrPear,

Wait, so you’re telling me that there are no vending machines in the ocean that are preying on people swimming in the water?

Hupf,

Du Dun

Du Dun

Du Dun Du Dun

Storca,

Num num

Num num

jossbo,

Nice try, QI elf!

count_duckula,
@count_duckula@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I’ll finally know all the answers in the next episode of No Such Thing As A Fish!

jossbo,

Nice try, QI elf!

MartinXYZ,

You’ve triple posted this comment…

jossbo,

Nice try, QI elf!

ch00f,

Switching from a 5mpg truck to a 10mpg truck does more for the environment than switching from 40mpg car to a 55mpg car.

Linssiili,

How is that misleading, isn’t it true?

ferrousfair,

More outrageous sounding, switching from a 5 mpg truck to a 10 mpg truck saves more gas than switching from a 50 mpg car to a 100 mpg car

youtu.be/oLQmwOX6Xds

Linssiili,

I still don’t understand hot that statement is “misleading”?

ferrousfair,

Well a lot of people would think gaining 50 mpg is way better than gaining 5 mpg, since it’s 10x as much, but really it just shows that you can’t use mpg as a unit to compare like that

absGeekNZ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

This is why the rest of the world uses l/100km (liters per 100 kilometers), the comparison is linear and thus comparable between different vehicles in a simple manner.

  • 5mpg = 20g/100mi
  • 10mpg = 10g/100mi
  • 40mpg = 2.5g/100mi
  • 55mpg = 1.82g/100mi

The difference between 10 and 20g is easy to see as a lot bigger than the difference between 2.5 to 1.82g. 15 is a much bigger number than 5, but that 15 is relative to the initial mpg rating

In fact going from 5mpg to 10mpg is better than going from 10mpg to 100mpg, a 10g saving vs a 9g saving…the more you know

Therefore,

Environmental damage from emissions doesn’t care about relative efficiency, 15 free miles is objectively more than 5 free miles.

absGeekNZ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

It you travel 50 miles at 5mpg, you use 10g of fuel At 10mpg you use 5g…a saving of 5g

40mpg uses 1.25g 55mpg uses 0.91g a saving of 0.34g much less of a saving.

4am,
@4am@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah but if you’re already driving the more efficient vehicles to begin with…

planforrain,

but if we are trying to save the world getting the lowest mpg vehicles off of the road first will have a stronger effect

if you already drive a 30mpg car and you are ready to upgrade then definitely look for better efficiency but I think we should have incentives in place to get cars that operate at for instance 16 mpg (my first car for instance, 1996 Chevy blazer, now deceased) replaced by even 10 year old models which are much more efficient

ch00f,

The ask was

What would be some fact that, while true, could be told in a context or way that is misinfomating or make the other person draw incorrect conclusions?

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