Raxiel,

My Employer provides me with an iPhone for work use, primarily for remote access.

I was enthusiastic about getting it, as a long time time android user I wanted to see what all the fuss was about, but having interacted with it frequently I really don’t get why people like it so much.

jsonborne,

I use an iPhone 12 because:

  • longevity. Between software updates and an over powered phone cpu I know it will last. Android phones in general barely get security updates.
  • Simplicity. I used to root and install ROMs on my android phone. I used to jailbreak iPhones. I’m done with that now. I do enough technical work at work I don’t want to have to mess with my phone.
  • Security. Ties into updates somewhat, but how often do you hear about iOS malware? It is usually big news when you do.
Atemu,
@Atemu@lemmy.ml avatar

Not sure why this is downvoted so much. These are very valid points.

teawrecks,

Well the claim that Android doesn’t receive security updates is plainly false.

Atemu,
@Atemu@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t see how that point is relevant as that claim was never made.

The claim was that Android phones usually barely get updates which maps to my experience. Updates more than one or two years after the release of a device is the exception, not the norm.

Micromot,

Which is also not true, most android deviced i have used got updates every 3-5 months with some small security patches between them.

Atemu,
@Atemu@lemmy.ml avatar

For the first year or two, that’s common. Getting feature updates for anything even approaching >5 years is near unthinkable for Android devices however. You only get that with custom ROMs and even there it’s only half of the story as they can’t provide security updates for vendor blobs which is kind of a big yikes.

The iPhone 8 will get cut off the newest feature updates in the upcoming iOS 17; 6 years after launch. Security updates will likely be available for years to come. For comparison, my OnePlus 5 from 2017 (1 year younger) received its last update (any update whatsoever) in 2020 (3 years ago).

With an Android device, you’d be lucky to get security patches in any regularity at all, much less >3 years after release. That only happens with a couple few vendors who actually care such as Nokia and maybe Google (to a degree).

Micromot,

For my custom rom i get vendor updates and theres about 1 update per month, open source devs are really

Atemu,
@Atemu@lemmy.ml avatar

The vendor blobs in custom ROMs come from the stock vendor ROM. When the vendor stops publishing their stock ROM, the custom ROM’s will also stop coming. In some cases some BLOBs can be taken from similar devices that might be supported a bit longer but I believe this is quite rare.

The ROM itself still gets updates through the AOSP but vendor BLOBs stay where they are and open source devs can do little to nothing about that.

Micromot,

Couldn’t find anything about that online, could you please give me the source of that information?

Atemu,
@Atemu@lemmy.ml avatar

I homebrew the ROM on my personal phone and I can tell you from first hand experience that you need the vendor dirs extracted from the OEM ROM. You can read up on that on the wiki pages for building any device ROM.

You can also come to that conclusion the other way around: How else would you (or LOS maintainers) get your hands on proprietary blobs full of secret sauce that vendors sometimes even try to actively block access to?

nxlemmy,
@nxlemmy@lemmy.ml avatar

Google doesn’t have vision or taste in my opinion. They released a million messaging apps and STILL haven’t made a decent one. Its been how many years and they still use SMS on most androids and people have to rely on whatsapp, a Fcaebook app… now they’re releasing their new “standard” RCS which has competing versions some with end to end encryption by default and some without.

They STILL don’t have a FaceTime alternative unless you use whatsapp…

Google knows how to show ads and everything else has so little passion and vision i dont trust any of their services because they love to kill their products

teawrecks,

I understand the “taste” argument, but personally the goal of not having a corporation man-in-the-middle everything I do takes priority. I degoogle my phone to the best of my ability.

Unfortunately, good vision and design takes funding, and there’s not a lot of money to be made from not taking advantage of users.

DarkDarkHouse,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Apple’s hardware sales are about 70% of revenue, whereas Google’s are more like 10%. That’s a lot of funding that doesn’t have to come from user data.

teawrecks,

Harvesting user data is a symptom, mitm and taking advantage of users is the root of the problem.

Saying they don’t profit much from your data is like saying, “they only kick you in the nuts a little bit.”

Bjoern_Tantau,

My counterpoint is that you have to use WhatsApp (I rather use Signal) because iMessage is Apple only. SMS and RCS are stupid. With Signal you can reach users of all devices. Having a messaging protocol that depends on the device used is stupid. And hopefully the EU can end the vendor lock in with messaging apps as well.

greatwhitebuffalo41,
@greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net avatar

Another vote for signal

trk,
@trk@aussie.zone avatar

I don’t even use any Apple products, but I still gotta agree with all this.

How they didn’t do an iMessage style client better than Apple given the fact Hangouts was right there and superior in every way for so long is just… bleh.

Google is losing it. Android is losing more nerd functionality and just copying iOS… but poorly. YouTube Music was better as Google Play Music. “Chats” was better as Hangouts. Where Google Fi at? Where Google Fibre gone? How’s Google+ going?

Even their search results are mostly spam now.

– Sent from my Pixel

SPOOSER,

Enshitification

bug,

This isn’t even enshittification, this is just Google still not having their shit together somehow after all these years

Joshie,

OS updates. It’s frustrating to buy a top of the line android phone just for it to be forgotten by the manufacturer in 6-8 months.

tooting_lemmy,

Pixels give you 5 years now same as iphone.

RustedSwitch,
@RustedSwitch@lemmy.world avatar

iPhone gets you more like 10 years of security updates

makeuseof.com/apple-security-updates-for-10-year-…

AlexWIWA,

My iPad from 2015 is still getting all the updates. It’s wild.

tooting_lemmy,

Yeah I think iPad’s are clearly better than any android tablet.

milkjug,
@milkjug@lemmy.world avatar

This right here. Lifelong Android user that switched to the iPhone 14 and never looked back.

Edit: iPhone 13, not 14, my bad.

floofloof,

My problem with Apple is that everything’s designed to interoperate with other Apple stuff, and nothing else. It feels like a walled garden that doesn’t just keep users in, but also keeps those of us out who might want to try a single Apple device without spending many thousands replacing our entire ecosystem.

JackbyDev,

Literally causing people to get bullied into getting an iphone over stupid chat bubble colors.

Micromot,

Which gets even stupider when you realize apple is being stubborn and that is causing the issue

GeneralBoop,

Absolutely, Apple is being resistant to RCS not because they think iMessage is superior but because they know it weakens their lock in power. I know I’m stating the obvious, but it just annoys me so much.

notacat,

I’d rather be tracked by apple than google.

LobsterDog,
@LobsterDog@frig.social avatar

because Apple is going to use your data to a less nefarious end? I don’t get it.

BabaYaga,

That’s my belief. They don’t derive revenue from their users data, they get it through hardware sales and service subscriptions. Google has proven that they will monetize their users data in not so pleasant ways. I like Google products a lot but don’t use them because of their business practices overall

HerrBeter,

Contrary to Apply making products harder to repair, efficiently locking in to their ecosystem with no way out? Apple ducks consumers every day. I doubt they’d gather all your data for the purpose of utilizing storage space.

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