A proper mod isn’t a ruler, but rather a janitor - someone who keeps the place clean so others can enjoy it. Without that, it is only a matter of time until someone decides to shit all over the place for funsies and then you can either decide to clean up - at which point you become a mod - or continue hosting the shitshow, and that is never fun. I don’t know about a single “anarchist” social media site that lasted longer than a week at best, so I doubt it is possible.
Imagine you actually hosted a completely anarchist site and then you start to recieve death threats, doxxing, literally illegal content etc. … what are you going to do then? Serious question.
this is exactly what this post is asking, of course the issue is broader and entails other issues like how to actually represent the community will without distortions and so forth…
Idk myself otherwise I would be working on the implementation already. I think maybe if the communty can vote out users that might be a first starting point, but then it would devolve into mob rule and that is not freedom but just might makes right.
The simple answer is; it won’t work. It works in theory if - and only IF - all people involved will automatically behave on their own and treat all others with respect. An open-to-all social media website without any moderation at all will attract assholes sooner or later, and it will turn into a shitshow eventually. The question is not IF it will happen, but WHEN.
What you are asking for is like planting a garden full of flowers, deciding to never ever weed out the plants you don’t like, and then wondering why you end up with an overgrown, tangled mess instead of a flower field. It won’t magically regulate itself just because you don’t want a gardener.
Maybe not no moderation but rather no mods. Moderation could be somehow community driven. If you get a certain number of downvotes you are out. But that would have other issues like mob rule.
I don't think there is a technological silver bullet, but technology might enable you to overcome your concerns. Reading other answers and your comments, one concern seems to be the inability to influence mods once they are in their post. That seems easy enough to address through community voting implemented and enforced by the software.
What your really need to do is sit down and game out the situations and actions you need, and that becomes the basis for your functional software spec.
The bigger issue is who runs the software and on what hardware? Implementing safeguards to keep server admins in line with the community would be much more difficult than mods.
The bigger issue is who runs the software and on what hardware? Implementing safeguards to keep server admins in line with the community would be much more difficult than mods.
could this maybe be adressed through the use of peer to peer technology similar to bittorrent?
That’s what you have with the Fediverse, you can participate in a community that’s self governing and follow their rules or set off and make your own.
I’m curious how you think removing mods would go however.
Say a user spams CSAM material, how does that get removed? Do you have to wait for a plurality of users to agree (slow), can anybody remove anything instantly (easily abused), or can nothing be removed? (Illegal and also fucked up in this example).
Mods a job not a hierarchy, what’s needed is good public controls to choose mods.
Say a user spams CSAM material, how does that get removed? Do you have to wait for a plurality of users to agree (slow), can anybody remove anything instantly (easily abused), or can nothing be removed? (Illegal and also fucked up in this example).
exactly, this is one of the core obstacles to overcome, it’s clear to everybody that (with few exceptions) nobody wants casm material online or even existing in the first place. One user or a group of them shouldn’t be allowed to curtail the freedom of the entire community by subjecting them to awful content. However if ten downvotes means your post and you are gone, then that would be used by other (less) unsavory characters, to remove anybody they dislike…
This is what my post among others is asking, how to resolve this issue, with a technical solution?
To piggy back a bit, I can block people from kbin, so I've thought about this a bit.
What if you are in an instance that has users with great memes. Someone csam person joins and you just block that person. Maybe you're a little proactive and go through comments and block any supporter that's supportive of the csam.
A month or two goes by, the memes are still good, but you talk with someone from another instance and it turns out you're on a csam instance. You had no idea because you blocked all the csam content.
4chan is what i would call mob rule or the rule of the most brutal/vile/evil I was looking for something that is rule of the community, basically an enlightened form of self-organization. There was a day when a republic was considered utopian and anything that didn’t have a king was assumed to immediately descent into everybody vs everybody. I feel the same holds true for Anarchsim. However let’s discuss anarchism itself over at one of the anarchy subLemmings. This post is not itself about politics it is about how to implement community self governance technically i.e. a technial post/question. thanks for understanding.
To have an enlightened community you need enlightened members. Social media struggles to even have people read and heed simple posting rules.
Ignoring the former and only considering the latter, as others have mentioned, mods serve a janitorial function. If you anticipate a stable user population, you could implement terms for mods, so no one has the role for more than, say, a month. Like students in Japan who have to clean their own classrooms, having all members take a turn might help. You could have more than 1 mod at a time with a staggered start so that (a) they get experienced support and (b) accountability/prevention to prevent someone from taking over. Finally a 3rd role, someone who's only ability is to boot a mod if needed
Yes, there can be two or more networks that just about completely defederate each other. However, you can host a Lemmy instance and federate with whomever you see fit unless they block you.
That’s just natural selection doing its thing. I don’t think the anti-vaxxer philosophy will completely disappear, but the number of people believing in it will be cut down by various diseases such as covid. Those who survive, will probably be damaged by said diseases, so who knows how well they’ll be able to articulate their thoughts after that.
When doing dishes, I tap silverware on the edge of the sink to remove any water before putting it into drying rack. Absolutely useless, but for some reason I do it.
I haven’t seen it mentioned in the sections I’ve scrolled.
First, there’s some great advice already out there. What I’ll add: breathing exercises, especially box breathing. That, with meditation, has helped me. That can be Headapace, Calm, YouTube, and more. I’ve found the voice and timbre of the speaker matters to me and changes how well it works.
My wife likes some people, I like others. And that’s okay.
The breathing and meditation never immediately helped until I’d learned how to transition to a more “present” frame of mind, but they helped me build the pathway/shortcut.
Economy of movement. I get up from chair, walk to kitchen. Always done as efficiently as possible, start to rise from chair, deftly pick up cup, smooth seamless turn, as I walk into kitchen I efficiently tilt, dance thru doorframe, step of feet perfectly timed to match curved motion of body, arm as it reaches for kitchen sink. Everything must be done as efficiently as possible.
Same. I figure out the most efficient way of doing something, and do it that way every time forever. Until I learn a more efficient way, which becomes the new way I do it forever.
Every fifth step I take in a sidewalk must have the sidewalk crack be perfectly positioned in the middle of my foot, then five steps later the other foot gets to step on the crack. Feels very satisfying but it does cause my gait to be a bit off at times lol
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