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funkless_eck, in What do you like about socialism?

that it holds that social practices are created from social practice and not inherited from immutable law, enabling criticism of the underlying machinations of society without being hindered by the argument that such machinations are an inherited and instinctual product of nature and thus unalterable.

Sabata11792, in What's your automatic vacuum's name?
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Rem. The maid from that one anime.

aphonefriend, (edited )
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Same. And the mop is Ram

Jackthelad, in What do you like about socialism?

Pros: It’s nice in theory.

Cons: It will never work in practice because human nature is a thing.

Rhynoplaz,

Maybe if we stop teaching our children that the most important thing in life is to have more stuff than your neighbors, it will stop being part of our nature.

SirStumps,
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Another pro is we can eat our neighbors when food becomes scarce. Or we can report them for owning a grain of wheat and have them murdered.

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bostonbananarama,

Cons: It will never work in practice because human nature is a thing.

This exact reason is why capitalism will never work. Human nature will look to exploit.

Ensign_Crab,

Exploitation is the point of capitalism. It’s working as designed.

aelwero,

It’s absolutely disturbing how avidly people seem to want to ignore that inconvenient truth…

“The people will own the means of production”. Except it’s never once worked out that way.

“Everyone will be happy to go to work, because it’s for the good of all”. Except it’s never once worked out that way.

“Nobody will ever have to worry about basic needs”. Except it’s never once worked out that way.

Socialism has historically consolidated both power and wealth just as reliably as capitalism has, and frankly, I don’t buy that the impetus behind the growing advocacy for socialism even is actually equality… I think it’s a desire to have more shit, with less effort required to get it (and that sounds sketchy, and I think people are generally averse to stating it openly due to this)

I personally think the most likely means to achieve that is ironically the capitalist system we currently have, with a huge boost to the economy in the form of universal basic income.

Give literally everyone $50k/yr. Period. Even musk, the zuck, bezos… Everyone… The people who don’t want to do jack can sit around and enjoy the product of labor that will inevitably be increasingly provided by automation, out of necessity. The dream of the 1960’s, of having robots do everything for us while we sit around at the park, will come to fruition finally, because while we’ve had the ability to do it, we’ve not had any means of paying our bills while sitting around. UBI would provide that, and “the capitalists” will have the incentive to automate because there will be less labor available.

Of course, we’re talking about a massive spike in income tax here… But we’re also making the labor far more valuable, by way of rarity. Harder to find workers, so you pay them more, and even with the increased taxation, even a modest salary reflects economic advantage over a nonworker. The guy that used to make $50k/yr is only making $25k/yr if we slap a 50% tax on him, but he’s still putting $75k/yr in the bank, aint he?

I think “socialism” is the wrong direction. 180° exactly in the wrong direction. Unless by “socialism” people are actually advocating the “advanced welfare” Nordic approach…

funkless_eck, (edited )

“it will never work in practice” says the person using the internet who can drive down the paved road to the community credit union, or indeed one of the banks that was bailed out by the government before going to the library, posting a letter, and then goes to work the next day in which they are required to be efficient in their job in order to make sure other people’s work isn’t affected, and must not break the law while at work, laws created to preserve the health and wellbeing of society, themselves and their colleagues, meanwhile while at work their trash is collected and sent to a public refuse center, spends the weekend at the local state park, which is subject to pollution laws, and indeed even has the temerity to vote in a democracy and is allowed to participate in the stock market without owning a business or a warehouse of goods, experiences freedom of movement across a union of states (one might even call them United States, and one formed as a socialist revolt against Monarchism and the capitalist imposed taxes without representation, and later held a civil war around the socialist ideal of abolitionism).

They may even express sentiments such as “food waste is bad”, “pollution is bad”, “I enjoy watching TV, reading books, listening to music, and/or participating in sports” and “I can change careers and do something different to what the family business is”.

All of which are socialist ideas that clearly don’t work in real life.

magic_lobster_party,

Socialist ideas is to move away from the idea of private ownership. Everything is owned by the “people” in collective (which in practice often means the state). You don’t own your cellphone, your computer or your shoes. They’re all provided to you by the “people” (the state).

The roads in your example are paved by private companies in a competitive market (often funded by tax money). They may have been selected by the state to do the work at an agreed price. Next time some other private company might do the work because they compete with even better prices. This process is not socialistic.

funkless_eck, (edited )

that is one very strict definition of socialism, which is not a monolith. Nor is there any agreed Purity test of what is or is not socialism

… with that in mind - following your roads example still

  • if roads are paid for, described, prescribed and constructed / maintained by private companies as you say - why is the government involved at all? Isn’t it more accurate to say the government owns all roads (in the US- due to eminant domain- all land) and contracts private companies to build them
  • companies only exist by the express permission of and after registration by the government, and we can argue who holds the most soft power, but the fact is if you fuck up bad enough the government will disband your company for you
  • the existence of a market does not mean socialism is not happening: in reality, the “profit incentive” of capitalism is also tempered by the social contract of socialism. In my post I was careful to give examples of the social contract that outway pure profit incentives (ie you can’t build a factory in a national park)
  • I would say the process of agreeing to do something in exchange for money is neither (/unknowably) capitalist or socialist (or neither or both) without further context.
Rolder,

In these cases it’s capitalism with some social systems in place. A far cry from full on socialism.

funkless_eck,

why can we only critique “full on” socialism? (what does that even mean) and yet capitalism with democratic-socialistic elements is treated as if it’s “full on” capitalism?

boredtortoise,

Historically, human nature led naturally to socialist societies. It happened for thousands of years even before anyone named it socialism

itchick2014, in What are your best air fryer/oven recipes?

Reheating fried food in the air fryer changed how I view leftovers. Also, love roasted veggies or air fryer whole chicken. I use my air fryer a lot more than I thought I would.

LaunchesKayaks,
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How do you usually make your chickens? Like spices and stuff. Idk how to cook a chicken lol

itchick2014,

therecipecritic.com/air-fryer-whole-chicken/ is the last recipe I used. I recommend it!

captainlezbian, in What do you like about socialism?

Democratic control over the means of production by workers

Loulou,

Yeah, it’s just lacking the more global “democracy”, so it’ll attract all those power hungry grifters. Social democracy is not that bad.

Kongar, in So, who or what ruined Christmas this year?

Not ruined, but pretty fucking annoying. In laws came for a few weeks to visit for the holidays. We don’t see them as much as we’d like, and its nice. But MIL wants to include her sister too - the deadbeat aunt-in-law boomer who still can’t get her shit together for over 70 years. Whatever - we tolerate it.

Except she fucking shows up sicker than a dog and is hacking non stop. You know the kind of coughs where you can hear gallons of snot being coughed up - ya that. Wtf - I give it one week and we’ll all be miserable with that exact cold/flu/covid whatever the fuck it is. Fucking loser boomer bitch who thinks of nothing but herself. Sigh.

mangaskahn, in What's your automatic vacuum's name?

Clean Elizabeth

stackPeek, in What's a food you love, that isn't worth making from scratch?
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I can’t cook, so basically almost all the food in the world

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

Cooking is one of those things you have to do at least twice a day so I can’t understand not taking the time to learn unless you live in New York City and only have a hot plate or something.

Krauerking,

Because you don’t have to do it twice a day. We live in a society of people with lots of skills so having others that handle the cooking and you handle some other important beneficial task would be fine.

And then to fill space between wanting to eat what everyone else is having, using preserved or easy to eat items at home would fill the gap. That would be a rational society though. But we all need to be individually independent.

Telodzrum, in What's your automatic vacuum's name?

Mister Back and Forth, as named by a toddler watching it clean.

Sabata11792, in So, who or what ruined Christmas this year?
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My disabled brother said every horrible thing possible to my brother in law and got sent home and basically kicked out for life. I knew better than to go to Ohio. Nothing good happens there. I had a pleasant violence free dinner and did not have to relive my childhood trauma this year. My uncle didn't even drop a n-bomb at dinner this year.

oli3k, in What's your automatic vacuum's name?

Hippo Helper

Iamdanno, in What's your automatic vacuum's name?

Chole

boblin, in What do you like about socialism?

It provides a safety net by pooling the resources of the community to support the less fortunate. This prevents people from having to sacrifice their long term goals because their short term needs may not be otherwise met.

Also in contrast to capitalism that treats society as a zero sum game (“I can’t get ahead unless I take something from someone else”) socialism is a benefit multiplier (“I’m part of the community. By making the life of everyone in the community better I’m also improving my own life”).

HipsterTenZero, in What's a food you love, that isn't worth making from scratch?
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i have depression and adhd so it varies between every food and no food based on the rng going on in the ol’ endocrine

ericbomb,

Sometimes brain say making gnocchi is no big deal.

Other times, grill cheese too much.

Krauerking,

I just remind myself that I once thought it was a good idea to make an entire thanksgiving dinner for 3 people using a college dorm kitchen, and then the idea of frying a cheese sandwich doesn’t seem that daunting.

Tip though for grilled cheese is butter the pan not the bread.

hydrospanner,

Interesting tip…I’ve never thought of doing it that way but it would eliminate my prime annoyance with the process (cold butter tearing the bread).

Krauerking,

Seriously it’s the perfect way to do it. You know your pan is hot enough. The butter is nicely browned. I do find a small pan is the right way to keep a good layer but if you have a slightly larger pan using a spatula to keep the butter contained to one space and then put in the grilled cheese while the butter’s still a little solid works too. It’s probably been more than a decade since I last buttered the bread not the pan and I’m not even 30 it’s just the best way.

verity_kindle, in What's your automatic vacuum's name?

Bunter

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