A Hat in Time is an example. I really don’t enjoy that game. Idk why. But Yooka Laylee sucks as well. Pretty much every one just isn’t good. The graphics aren’t realistic or gritty like Ratchet, Jak and Sly for example, the worlds are empty or unexpansive. The combat is lacking. I could go on
You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if you don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.
From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there never was.
Like unless PS2 somehow had literally all of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also extremely cartoony...
Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon
Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and we need more examples of what you really mean
But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.
edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB
Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
There seems to be one or two specific platformers that you loved and you using that(those) specific game(s) to state that PS2 3D platformers were generally great and universally better than today’s platformers. One does not follow the other.
And you are taking your personal preference for a very specific art style and using it as your justification for calling these platformers “objectively superior”. You keep telling people to “prove” you wrong but no matter how many specific examples people give you, you are very strongly objecting based on your subjective preferences. We cant prove you out of your own particular desire for a particular game.
Ratchet and Clank had at least three good games on the PS3, and Rift Apart definitely counts as a modern game. I wish Insomniac (and other game devs) woul devote more resources to making hybrid shooter/platformers, but the devs who made those great PS2 games are being replaced by newer devs who want to make different things. Also publishers want to cash in on big money-making trends like live service games.
Can’t comment on the 3rd person shooter/3d platformer hybrids, but games like Mario Odyssey are fantastic modern 3d platformers. Meanwhile I’ve recently replayed some 3d platformers from the n64-gamecube eras and found they didn’t hold up as well as I remembered.
I agree the N64 and GameCube ones aren’t as good as the PS2 ones from an objective standpoint. All the best platformers exist on PS2, I really don’t know why. They just went on a roll.
There are no 3rd person shooter-platformers on the other consoles, I’ve used a bunch of consoles including N64 and GameCube. They just don’t have the same kinds of games. I wish people would look past the fact they’re old and assuming it’s just a nostalgia thing… I can explain why the PS2 platformers are more complex and detailed and better
I can explain why the PS2 platformers are more complex and detailed and better
Then why haven’t you? The whole problem is you keep saying that this is objectively true without providing any evidence that comes anywhere close to being objective.
Super mario odyssey is the most polished and impressive 3d mario game ever made. Not sure how people think that n64 mario is better except for nostalgia.
I think it comes down to the combo of nostalgia in combo with iconic games. For example, Mario 64 was so cool when it came out. Even the feel of it was new and different to anything else available.
This seems like an appeal to nostalgia to me… they’re old games, and therefore I must simply be blinded by nostalgia rather than the possibility that those older games might have actually been better in certain measurable ways…?🤔
An appeal to nostalgia is a claim that more or less boils down to “things were better in the past.”
The NES era has a special place in my heart because those were basically the first games I played and those stick with you. But… I am not about to claim that modern equivalents aren’t as good. And I don’t feel the need to prove otherwise because I know that it isn’t their objective quality or lack thereof that made them special to me. So the question is why is it so important to you that you can “prove” the PS2 era 3d platformers were objectively superior? Are you going to suddenly flip a switch in your head that changes your opinion of them if someone manages to “prove” otherwise?
AND you have to keep in mind that you are more likely to remember good games and forget mediocre ones. There is a bias toward older games being thought of as being better because most of the garbage ended up being lost to time. Today’s stinkers are still fresh on everyones’ mind.
noooo its just nostalgia!! games weren't better, they are better nowww!!!
Games in general have gotten worse, the quality only exists in the indie space nowadays. But there's 1000s of them, so it's not easy to find the gems. As for 3PP platformers... I guess the genre isn't all that appealing to developers. Maybe there will be a new one when someone has an idea for a new fresh take on it. Great games are made from great ideas and passion, rather than them being made to fill a gap in the market.
I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.
Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.
OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.
How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
That'd probably be true for a while, but after that they'd need to start an "election" where some military commander or other higher up will take his chair.
This isn't about truth or facts. If something major happens in Russia or related to it and the president doesn't show up to talk about it, that would raise eyebrows. Now imagine that happening over and over again. Putin dying would be the perfect opportunity for the US to start swaying Russia into a civil war. They definitely don't want the president's chair to be empty and contested for.
The most useful thing to them will always be to shove anyone atop that chair before the US notices.
Everyone knows the 3D platformer genre died out and people stopped putting effort into them as much, so it would be more like if someone had a favourite genre of music that went out of fashion and was hard to find anymore.
It’s not that. I’m going to have to edit my post now because I was already considering writing that disclaimer. It’s not a nostalgia thing. There are literally no 3rd person shooter 3D platformers outside of PS2 and those are the kinds of 3D platformers I enjoy most… give me an example to prove me wrong
I’m not sure I understand - what would you call Banjo-Kazooie? Or even Super Mario 64? What do you mean by “3d platformer”? Like “open world” kinda game?
I’m curious what others see? My wife and I have this back and forth of what’s a shade of blue vs green with some things around the house. Gar as I know I’m not colour blind, but I’m aware that some people have better colour perception than others so it really does make me wonder.
So it’s not just me? I know they’re not just walking around; the insulation is pretty good. But they certainly thump around in random intervals up there, like they’re constantly arranging furniture. I thought maybe they had a dog but they don’t. And they only seem to be active between the hours 3 and 6 am.
Still not as bad as my next door neighbors who come outside their front door at 5am every single day, standing right in front of my bedroom window and yell at each other for an hour. I’m 🤏 this close to opening the window and yelling at them to STFU.
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