PatMustard,

On average the world is better than it’s ever been. Higher life expectancies, less war, better quality of life; it’s all generally on the up. Would you rather go back to the last financial crisis? When the ozone layer was being depleted? The interment threat of nuclear annihilation? Race riots? Women not being able to vote? High infant mortality? etc, etc

greywolf0x1,

Less war?

There’s a genocide going on in the middle east right now by settler colonialist fully backed by the western powers to destabilize the region and I’m sure you know that, it’s just irrelevant to you.

There’re too many neoliberals on lemmy, I can’t even deal fam

Pohl,

There were at least 2 other genocides in progress the last October when this mess started. You only care about this one because you have been told to.

Neoliberalism is really an economic philosophy. It doesn’t really have a lot to say about how a nation ought to position itself toward foreign wars. It’s not an all purpose slur for people who disagree with you.

intensely_human,

Which ones are those? What?

Pohl,

The darfuri people in Sudan and the uyghur people in china were what I had in mind. But honestly, war that disproportionately impacts one ethnic group or another is a fairly common sort of war.

otp,

On average the world is better than it’s ever been

Of course, certain groups of people have been trying to reverse these trends in the name of…money? Tradition?

The newer generations are no longer becoming smarter (I believe it was the Flynn effect). Education is being defunded at all levels.

The cost of living in many parts of the world has been outpacing wages… especially now, but for decades. Yet we have more wealth hoarded into fewer hands.

Anti-vax and anti-science movements have been reintroducing measles and have been making it hard to fight other diseases.

We are seeing the effects of these things in action, and they will only get worse over time.

intensely_human,

They’re trying to reverse those trends because acknowledging those trends means giving up on their theory that our dominant economic system is defunct.

highduc,

It’s cancer and it’s killing us all.

intensely_human,

Exactly. That kind of thinking doesn’t work when you realize the “cancer” is producing situations like:

Higher life expectancies, less war, better quality of life

Do you disagree with those statements? Do you need to see evidence before you’ll believe them?

Or do you acknowledge the statements, but disagree that they justify the “cancer” of our current economic system?

highduc,

Do you disagree with those statements? Do you need to see evidence before you’ll believe them?\

I disagree with them.
Higher life expectancy - I wouldn’t attribute that to capitalism. Further more life expectancy in the US is declining afaik.
Less war - What do you mean? There’s a war in Ukraine, one in Palestine, and there’s been perpetual war since …forever. The US war machine always bombs some country, assassinates a democratically elected leader, etc.
Better quality of life - For the 1% at the expense of all the others maybe.

Capitalism is all about profits, not about better products, better quality of life, etc. In fact it’s easily against those things if they get in the way of profit. You can see enshittification everywhere.
For example it would be against their interest for a pharmaceutical company to sell the permanent cure for a disease instead of life-long medical treatment. The latter would be subscription-based therefore create more profit. The cancer comparison is quite fitting imo.

HenriVolney,

Some people argue that humanity was never freer, happier and healthier than before the agricultural revolution. Everything has gone to shit since we decided to settle down on a small plot of land.

PatMustard,

It was much simpler when you were born, miraculously survived childhood, hunted, gathered, then died before your back even had time to get sore

intensely_human,

Honestly it probably was a far more meaningful and fun life. Terrifying too, but super meaningful. The environment your brain evolved for. No old age horseshit, just a painful moment of death followed by your family mourning you. But no pictures or nothing, and everyone’s tripping on shrooms so you’re still there in spirit form. I’m joking as a reflex but I’m serious here. It was probably a better life overall. Seeing a worm and thinking of it as food, having no problem eating that little bastard because your stomach’s gnawing at ya. That’s life boy. Just raw dogging for all the jungle to see why the hell not. It’s prehistory baby. Anything goes.

intensely_human,

Sorry I am trying to make a point. I think it would be better probably. Except for all the misery. The good parts would be super good. The non-awful parts would be super good.

PatMustard,

Sounds like it would be cool for some kind of quantum-leap holiday, but I think in general I’d rather have the relative comfort and lack of preventable pain that modern technology provides!

intensely_human,

How’s the argument go?

HenriVolney,

For about 60k years, between the cognitive revolution and the agricultural revolution, Sapiens was the apex predator of every ecosystem he lived in. People would move from pace to place, foraging and hunting a vast variety of plants and animals. They had the most diverse diet, didn’t rely on a small number of food products that would have exposed them to famine in case of collapse (like crops). Women had few children because they had to carry the younger ones and child mortality was not a challenge to the group survival: there were fewer diseases because they lived in small groups. People lived in tight communities and didn’t have to cope with the mental strains associated with long-term planning. Of course you could get killed by another tribe, eaten by a tiger or die from an infection. But your teeth and gums were healthy, you had the best diet, great overall physical health and people actually lived into their 60s.

tty5, (edited )

I gave up on everyone: I’ve packed my shit and moved back to the EU, to a middle of nowhere, population 50. Closest neighbor is a 10 minute walk away. Started a large garden, learned some blacksmithing and basic carpentry. Still working remotely for the same company as before, but now when I go outside I have fresh air, I can see the stars and I can hear nobody.

Razzazzika,

That sounds… very pleasant.

tty5,

It mostly is, but it has it’s drawbacks:

  • if I don’t feel like cooking I don’t have an option of ordering a pizza or eating out - I’m outside of delivery range of everything
  • closest town has limited choice of everything. I have to get everything shipped or drive for 1.5h.
  • anything but essential services is more than half an hour away

also you end up thinking weird thoughts few people have before: e.g. “how do I stop moose from trampling my garlic?” I mean how many people throughout human history had pondered that? ;-)

umbrella,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

possibly many people before the industrial revolution

cashews_best_nut,

I browse Lemmy & Reddit for 12-16hrs per day and eat out of bean tins. I shower once per week before meeting my probation officer.

That’s about it.

AlecSadler,

Favorite brand?

whostosay,

Damn thought you were asking them their favorite band. Hold my beer, I’m going in.

Witchfire,
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

Of probation officer?

Leviathan,

Of shower.

cashews_best_nut,

Normally I just get what the food bank gives out but my faves are Branston. :)

whostosay,

Favorite band?

cashews_best_nut,

Gotta be Nine Inch Nails! I’ve seen them twice and now Atticus is officially part of NIN with Trent they count as a proper band rather than a solo artist! ;)

whostosay,

I think I oghtta give them a proper go. Always liked their hits, and bands typically have way better shit than the radio has time for. Thanks for answering.

whostosay,

Skimmed through their 2020 stuff, what is going on there? It’s like 2 hours of intros it feels like.

cashews_best_nut,

Ooooh yeah don’t bother with Ghosts. He’s been going for ~40yrs and his Ghosts stuff is more like his creative common free music he gives to people.

I started on With Teeth album but his top albums are often considered to be Downward Spiral and Fragile.

If I was you I’d listen to Downward Spiral, the Fragile then With Teeth. After that maybe try Pretty Hate Machine which is slightly more dark-poppy-shynth-wave.

Quicker song video tasters:

I’ll stop now otherwise I’ll be posting the entire back catalogue! :D

whostosay,

Thanks, I’ll check it out

AlecSadler,

Huh, haven’t had those. Will check it out!

Sylvartas, (edited )

Nihilism. And drugs I guess

Chakravanti,

Regular consumption via “addiction” or therapudic instables of irregular incidences you document changes and benefits of?

Bahnd, (edited )

Pretty much this…

Nietzsche, Camus, and a whole bucket of popcorn to watch it all.

Psiczar,

I’m 51, I grew up with media fear mongering of the Cold War, the hole in the ozone layer and AIDS. I don’t think there has ever been a period in my life where there hasn’t been a threat in some form or another, and I sleep like a baby. We aren’t going backwards, it’s just another day at the office.

If you find yourself worrying about events on the other side of the world then you need to switch off the news and focus on what you can control in your own life. Sure, WW3 could be around the corner, Covid 2 Electric Boogaloo could be more lethal or the icebergs could melt, but we can’t do a goddamn thing about it, so what is worrying going to accomplish?

Worry about paying the mortgage, making sure your family are fed, and stay safe.

JigglypuffSeenFromAbove,
@JigglypuffSeenFromAbove@lemmy.world avatar

Isn’t this a mindset for complacent people, though?

Don’t get me wrong, I think exactly like you. But sometimes, I feel that by thinking this way, I’m just taking a shortcut. It seems like an easy way out for issues that should be tackled by humanity (of which you and I are a part), and instead of contributing, we’re just letting it happen.

Think about activists, for example. To do what they do, they can’t just turn off the news and be oblivious to what’s happening. They might not be directly solving the problems, but they are doing something within their reach, even if it means feeling overwhelmed, like OP seems to be feeling.

Does any of this make sense?

whostosay,

How attached can you be without undoing your own mental stability?

Figure that out, then apply it. Please, the world needs you.

littlebluespark,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed. If enough of us look the fuck up instead of taking what we’re fed… maybe it doesn’t have to be “another day at the office”? I was in middle school when we had the ill-fated assembly in the cafeteria to watch the first teacher astronaut go up, but that didn’t kill my dreams of exploring the stars (the realization in my teens of its extreme unlikelihood did).

If the “best advice” is just to keep your head down and focus on your work, then that’s more about accepting your fate as an infinitesimally tiny cog in someone else’s cash engine. Fuck that.

Zoboomafoo,

How do I cope?

The media sells the idea the world is on fire. By a lot of measures, humanity is the best it’s ever been:

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/cd14f225-2c08-49b7-864f-d66e76d43643.webp

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/f5eb0a15-6702-4a9a-ba18-7d4ab586133b.webp

Things do seem bad, things do need fixing. My advice is to pick one singular part of the world you want to improve and figure out how to fix it. Something like abolishing prison labor or environmentalism. It needs to be something you can make a noticeable dent in, where you can see your own contribution to the effort.

Don’t change tack every time something new like Isreal-Hamas or the scuffle at the US-Mexico border happens. You picked that one thing to fix, remember? And unless you plan on going down to the border with a gun, how do you plan on making a real difference? If you can’t make a difference, why let it bother you?

mayo,
@mayo@lemmy.world avatar

This depends on what you’re measuring and where.

Also it’s good to have perspective by comparison but life happens in the moment to moment. If people are reporting feeling worse then that is current state and that is what matters.

Zoboomafoo, (edited )

I’m saying that their moment to moment is being influenced by being bombarded with nothing except negative news.

That leads to an “everything is awful” mentality that bleeds into one’s personal life.

Grayox,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Making memes and lexapro.

littlebluespark, (edited )
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

Dude, you make lexapro? Asking for a friend.

xkforce,

Either turn the news off or do something about it i.e protest, donate to the ACLU etc.

Watching the news and not taking any tangible action is a recipe for depression and is thoroughly pointless.

HenriVolney,

I see you’ve met my father-in-law. Quite the party pooper

Canopyflyer,

Keep in mind that American news is not really news. It’s strictly entertainment and you should treat it as such. FOX, MSNBC, CNN are all for profit enterprises and they are completely focused on that and nothing else. That asshole fuck face that owns FOX even admitted it in court under oath.

So instead of informing the public, these entities present “news” in a way that is designed to make you emotionally react, give you a dopamine hit, instead of actually informing you of anything. Are some worse than others? Yes, but all of them do it to some degree or another. I personally believe that the down fall of this country will eventually be tracked to the elimination of equal time laws and the limits of entities owning media outlets. It used to be a single entity could not own more than 11 broadcast stations. Those laws need to come back and it’s an absolute emergency that they do.

To sum up the above: You are constantly being manipulated by the media you watch to make you feel that things are a lot worse than they really are, so some asshole somewhere can make more money. Yes, your feeling of things being out of control is only because some fuck face is making money from you feeling that way.

My suggestion is do not watch TV for your news. Read. If you want to learn about American politics, read a foreign newspaper that comes from a country that really doesn’t have a lot of skin in American Politics. Better yet, get involved in your local political scene and make yourself a part of the news cycle.

Meuzzin,

I’d argue that the only fairly accurate source of news, in America atleast, is non-profit, publicly funded. PBS, NPR, etc.

For example, NPR will do a hit piece on Amazon, even though Amazon is an underwriter for NPR.

Paragone,

Focus:

Exactly as Stephen R. Covey pointed-out, in “The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Families”

www.amazon.com/…/1250857775/

You have a Circle-of-Concern: all the things you attach your awareness on,

and you also have a Circle-of-Influence: all the things you actually can alter.

Since the bigger your Circle-of-Concern, the LESS life-energy you have for your Circle-of-Influence, therefore you need to deliberately reduce your Circle-of-Concern, in order to expand your Circle-of-influence.

That’s it: it’s that simple.

Deny awareness-vampire processes your lifeblood.

Own your own self, more, & use that self-owning in order to make your portion of the world more-healthy.

Just because mass-media did all it could to make one boundaryless, helplessly stuck in consuming-trance, bedazzled & led-along like steers the industry is bringing into the abbatoir, doesn’t mean that you or I agreed to our lives doing/being only that, does it?

We never agreed.

It is our right to break the “agreement” that our childhoods were signed-into, before we could do any considered-reasoning.


Either we have the guts & gall to do it, or our-lives are consumed by the “machine” that exists only for sake of its own transient profit-sensations.

Owning one’s own life is a right.

_ /\ _

intensely_human,

Very well put, thank you.

I think it’s time for me to read Covey again.

iamericandre,

Pot helps, for a little while at least

FollyDolly,
@FollyDolly@lemmy.world avatar

This was my answer. Blaze it 420 till the earth kicks us off.

LadyLikesSpiders,

How do I cope? Poorly

retrieval4558,

Exactly what I was about to post

Jackcooper,

I scroll lemmy. Apparently we are about to go to war with Texas.

Aussiemandeus,
@Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone avatar

That will never happen.

idunnololz,
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

This is why I only use social media (ie. Lemmy) for memes.

raynethackery,

We can never preach our values to the world again. How can our allies trust us?

jeffw,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

What values?

Mr_Blott,

Hey, we trust you!

About as much as any other international terrorist organisation anyway

workerONE, (edited )

The United States has been overthrowing democratically elected governments for a hundred years. The CIA has exported terrorism, trained gorilla soldiers to terrorize and torture civilians, and promoted fascism over democracy. …wikipedia.org/…/United_States_involvement_in_reg…

We have a war on drugs that is really a war on people, an excuse to target people of color. We have a for profit prison system run by private corporations that lobby politicians in what is effectively legal bribery. Our entire economic system, capitalism, allows those with wealth to exploit those without, and to use their power and money to “lobby” politicians. People are never going to get a fair shake.

Edit: The US has amazing people and so much potential to survive and overcome our problems, but there’s a darkness that motivates people in power, maybe it’s fear of communism or fear of powerlessness, idk

Mr_Blott,

It’s greed, mate

Weslee,

Don’t spend all your time reading news, they are purposely negative because it generates more interest and money, don’t take everything you read as truth.

99% of these problems won’t turn into anything other than a faded memory.

End of the day, nothing you can do will change what’s happening half way across the world, so why let it change you?

idunnololz, (edited )
@idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

Not just news but social media (yes that includes Lemmy). Generally anything that invokes some strong emotions will get up votes.

paddirn,

Also, a large part of it I’m assuming is driven by the upcoming US presidential election and a certain ongoing conflict in the world. There is at least one country that benefits from an increase in general chaos and uncertainty in the world. It divides Western military attention and increases discontent and anxiety in Western countries. Alot of our recent problems all lead back to Russia being a general force for chaos in the world, they stand to benefit the most from it.

helmet91,

End of the day, nothing you can do will change what’s happening half way across the world, so why let it change you?

I beg to differ. Here are a few things you can do. I agree these won’t make an impact, but if enough people are willing to do these, it could work:

  • Donate money if you can afford it. (Just carefully check where you’re exactly donating to.)
  • Promote non-propaganda, factual information. Muscovy spreads disinformation through social media and propaganda websites using their trolls. So why can’t ordinary people step up and upvote, share, publish, and promote factual information? Sure, the algorithms of social media platforms favor the disinformation, but again, if enough people are willing to overcome what’s happening, I believe, it could make a change.
  • Promote education. Only stupid people can be influenced by the far right propaganda. Unfortunately there are way too many stupid people.
  • Just do what you’re good at. If your profession is irrelevant, that’s fine. But if you happen to be a hacker, or want to become one, go ahead, and fight online scammers and trolls. Are you a software developer? Wanna be a web developer? Create something that has an impact if you have the free time and interest. Make it open source. Encourage others to join. Again, if you have no affinity for this kind of stuff, it’s totally fine.
  • Do your research and vote on elections.

In my opinion, this kind of mindset of “you cannot do anything, get used to it” is a very demotivating and harmful piece of advice. Because that’s what’s been going on all this time; everyone being ignorant, while evil people never stop doing what they’re doing.

euchriduk, (edited )

Meditation (as in, observing your thoughts without judgement, allowing them space, cultivating awareness and compassion). You don’t have to sit and focus on a candle or image or get the right breathing techniques or follow any kind of religion. Pema Chodron’s books are a very accessible and easy to read, and you don’t need to be a Buddhist to follow her work.

Look for spiritual sustenance in nature and in compassionate people. I find a lot of reassuring and helpful approaches in Jiddu Krishnamurti’s works, particularly his understanding that cultivating awareness and honest, open observation will increase compassion in yourself and will spread compassion in the world. (It’s more nuanced than that, but that’s an element of his observations). People with something genuinely helpful to say are not selling you anything - neither an idea or a product.

The news is there to sell things - ideas and products. Most news sources are selling a political and/or religious idea and bias as well as literally advertising products. News media is a business, making money from advertising. They don’t make money from selling ideas that life can be satisfying or enjoyable without buying stuff or doing things that make politicians and religious leaders more rich or powerful. Always read the news with a critical eye and look at what isn’t being focused on, not what is. Search for interesting personal stories, not headlines to get a slightly better perspective on the world.

There was a study done a few years ago that found that 60% of social media accounts were fake. That number is probably higher now, and there is more AI, too. The news and media and even federated systems are all manipulated in various ways. Huge congregations of right wing end-times Christians work like bot farms to spread fear and misinformation across all platforms: their goal is to speed up destruction because they believe in an afterlife that is only possible if the unbelievers are destroyed. They spread so much fear around feminism, LGBTQ+ issues, trans debates, flat earth nonsense, climate change denial, pro and anti vaccine arguments, etc. They just use whatever works to stir people up; they will take either side of an argument. The Taliban and Al-Queada worked in the same way, to similar ends. Israel and Russia and China all use these manipulation tactics too, to slightly different ends. The UK and Europe have other methods and goals (destroy threats to capitalism and neo colonialism, be seen as good guys). There are bot farms, hackers and paid accounts for every type of greedy power addict. But they all want destruction of perceived rivals, and they want one group of people to be afraid of another. It’s all lies and manipulation - some of it works, in a way, but a lot of it doesn’t. The fact they are all using these tactics show how desperate and afraid they are. We need to remember just how manipulated news stories and media are, and how the governments and organisations of the world are all trying to fool each other’s populations. Before the internet, you only saw your own country’s propaganda - now you see it all, and the system is falling apart in front of our eyes.

The news is not the sum total of things that are happening; it’s what is making someone more money or more power. The news doesn’t report all the people who had a pleasant day, or did a little bit better than yesterday - but how can it? Remember that for every horror story in the news, a thousand times more people were doing OK or better.

Do something that brings you actual joy every day. If you are honest with yourself, you find that actual joy is always the simple things - a favourite food, bouncing a ball, sitting under a tree, reading a good story, caring for a pet, holding hands quietly with a loved one, watching the clouds, riding a bike in nature, making music and art, reading a comic… Whatever small joys you can find, do them every day if you can, even if you’re living in a war zone. The small joys are reality, and sometimes you’ll experience big joys, although you don’t need them so often. News and depressive thoughts are not reality, only skewed and biased ways of looking at parts of reality. Moments of small joy are often all of reality that really matters.

Meditation (in whatever form works for you) can help you to experience the sensation that you are not your thoughts. “You” are something that exists with or without thoughts. It is not enough to consider this idea, it is something you need to actually experience, as often as possible. By extension, the world is not the collective thoughts and opinions of people: there is a reality of existence beyond all the nonsense we project on top of it.

Look for humour and go back to things that help you remember that there is always a lot to laugh about in world. Try to avoid cruel, mocking humour and yet be open to finding life-affirming humour even amongst the worst tragedies.

Cultivate compassion for yourself and the world around you. Ultimately aim to do everything out of compassion - not obsession or selfishness, fear or greed. If you need to be alone, be compassionate for yourself and others that need to be alone; if you need to be with other people, be compassionate for them. Don’t look for things in return: it is not a transaction. Compassionate action will not only bring you joy and peace, they will spread it. Practice compassion for everything - plants, animals, yourself, and other people. True compassion is not draining or tiring; it is a letting go of things like prejudice and judgement. It is not easy to do, it is something to work at.

Have positive, achievable goals and work on them whenever you can. You will get setbacks; it’s OK. Life shouldn’t be lived on a flat surface, there should ups and downs. It’s a journey, and a true journey should be interesting, across a changing landscape. When you have downs, recognise that there will necessarily be an up before long. The same us true for people around you, and the world.

Work on things you can change for the better, don’t focus on what you can’t. But actually work on the things you can change. It doesn’t matter how small they are; in many ways, the universe is not interested in big or small; and small things can make big changes anyway, like atoms or bacteria or blood cells (which can all do equally good or bad things, from our human perspective).

There are injustices and tragedies and traumas happening around the world; there are as many beautiful, loving kind things happening at the same time, probably more. The internet, the TV, the newspapers, magazines, books and media are just very small windows for an infinitely large world. We often think we’re seeing everything, but we are seeing very little. Our only reality is when we are not looking at life through these small windows - but we spend so much time looking through them that we forget reality. Do things that take you back to reality. If that reality is painful, approach it with compassion and it will gradually get less painful.

Work in reducing suffering in all forms for yourself and everything around you. Don’t contribute to suffering and don’t dwell on guilt and fear. Acknowledge those experiences, but let them pass. Don’t push bad things away, but don’t give them energy - just observe them, and return to things that create joy and peace, no matter how small. You don’t have to fix things or cure things that are bad, just work on making them a little bit better.

Remember that a lot of bad news is only a matter of perspective. So much of what we hear about - wars, corruption, illness, oppression, greed - are clear signs that the perpetrators of those things are desperate. Desperate people feel as though they are losing; they are doing everything they can to hold on to power, and they are lashing out. But they are losing the fight (most of which is with themselves or each other). Yes, we are the victims of their lashing out, but their viciousness and fear-mongering is because they are losing. They are losing because they have lost compassion and kindness and love. If we don’t cultivate those things, we will join them in desperation and fear; if we do continue to cultivate those things, they can never defeat us, because we are not even trying to win or to fight. We are surviving and growing and living. They can hurt us, but they can’t defeat us, and when they hurt us, they hurt themselves. But when we try to hurt them, we hurt ourselves, too. We end the fight by inviting them (the desperate, the rich, the powerful) to join us in compassion and kindness, by turning away from suffering and from causing suffering. There is no action too small to help make the world a better place.

Thank you for coming to my Wendy’s Ted Talk.

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