voracitude,

Cars double as housing. Checkmate, socialist commies!

/s just in case, as is tradition now.

azimir,

/s is not actually entirely accurate in this case. Here’s an article on how US residents are trying to live in their cars by finding “safe parking lots” to reside in: theguardian.com/…/safe-overnight-parking-lot-slee…

So in the richest nation on Earth, cars do double as housing.

voracitude,

The /s was for the “Checkmate” bit 😂 Technically, of course you can use your car as a dwelling. But it’s certainly not an answer (or at least, not a serious one) to a lack of housing supply, I think we’ll all agree.

HotsauceHurricane,

Well damn start building apartments in the empty parts. Its not that difficult to understand.

spacesatan, (edited )

With 6inch thick windows or intolerable noise pollution, sounds great. I wonder which one penny pinching developers are going to build.

Maganra,

Ah Houston, not a whole lot to like about living here.

mathesonian,

Foods pretty good… but yeah… that’s all I got.

lightnsfw,

That looks like hell. Where do you go when you want to get away from people?

KnowledgeableNip,

The parks or your own home. I don’t normally go into the middle of a highway interchange for solitude.

lightnsfw,

Parks with all the other people? Locked in a room in a 300 sq ft apartment with your family/roommates outside?

The interchange allows you to live far enough away from the overcrowded city that you can own a bigger piece of land where you’re not packed in with your neighbors like sardines so you can actually go outside and sit and be alone without hearing 15 other families doing shit. It also allows you to have enough space to have a workshop space for hobbies or a garden or whatever else you want to do.

thereisalamp,

You understand that Italy has areas that are not as densely populated as the city center. In fact some places are down right rural. And the US has some very densely populated square milage.

This is such a wild, wild take on the US’s cat centric build.

MiddledAgedGuy,

This is my hangup as well.

I agree with the premise of this sub. The way car first places such as the US does things is a problem. The cars themselves and the underlying infrastructure, such as that exchange.

But I also don’t want to live in cramped multidweller unit housing. I’ve done so most of my life and I hated it.

I don’t know what or even if there’s a good solution that accomodates both, but I hope so.

mondoman712,

You can have walkable areas that aren’t all multi unit. This video goes over some existing places that fit.

And if you’re someone that wants to live somewhere actually remote, having dense urban areas instead of suburban sprawl will leave more space for rural areas and nature.

baseless_discourse, (edited )

I am no expert, but if we are allowed to design everything from ground up, I believe personal electric vehicle (e-bike etc, abbreviated as PEV) for suburb, transit/bike/walk in city, and high speed rail between cities are probably the way to go.

City should be mostly car free, people can transit to suburb via transit, and to other city via rail. People move within city using walk/bike/tram. Vehicle besides delivery and commercial vehicle should be discouraged from entering the city, by removing in-city parking and setup no-go zones for private vehicles.

Even in the U.S. most people in suburb live rather close to a town center (less than 15 mins with PEV or bike). Thus efficient transit from town center to city can be a good idea. People will be discouraged from driving to city due to the lack of road and parking within cities.

For long form travel, people should move via high speed rail. Then take local travel options once arrived. High speed rail provide a faster and more comfortable travel alternative to driving.

Finally, I believe for people living in rural areas (an hour to any town center on PEV), cars and electric cars are their only option. If they want to enter city or suburb, they can drive to the nearest town center and take transit.

baseless_discourse, (edited )

Most country, urbanist or not, do have wilderness, where you can live and die without people know.

You don’t need to live in the city if you dont want to. You can live off grid, and burn your own feces for heat if that is the life of your choosing. What people here are fighting for is to keep this living style is outside of cities.

Basically, city is not the place for giant emotional support vehicles. And outside traffic should not disrupt the normal form of transportation in cities, which should be dominated by public transport, walking, and efficient personal vehicles (like bike, scooters, wheelchairs, etc).

Gabu,

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    moitoi,

    Interestingly, with this type of town, it’s easier and quicker to go out of the town than in American car centric towns.

    Public transports are more efficient. You don’t need cars. You have parcs and actual green space. The energy consumption is also reduced.

    It’s no magic that they built these type of towns in the past. They couldn’t afford our type of energy consumption and land use. And, it was more practical for the daily life.

    AI_toothbrush,

    You know houses exist right? Tho maybe not a lot of americans sleep in cars…

    atro_city,

    bUt wE hAve EnoUGh sPaCE!

    ChicoSuave, (edited )

    Yeah, but you can’t get to the other side of Siena in 20 seconds? Efficiency isn’t pretty.

    /S (big a for big sarcasm)

    BradleyUffner, (edited )

    This isn’t a great argument. There is so much open undeveloped space in the US that could be used to house people. This interchange isn’t taking space away from anyone. There are lots of good reasons to reduce cars, but this isn’t one of them.

    gregorum, (edited )

    That’s not really true here though. This is in the middle of an urban area, not in some big open empty space that’s unoccupied, like Montana, or North Dakota. This is in the middle of Houston, Texas, a very populous city.

    Telodzrum,

    Calling anywhere in Greater Houston “the middle of an urban area” is just incorrect. It’s the 4th most populated city in the US and the 150th most densely populated. There are a lot of people in Houston but also just a fucking Tom of Houston around. But, as is the norm in this magazine, you are all free to ignore facts and data so you can raise a furor in your tiny anti-car cult.

    gregorum, (edited )

    Calling anywhere in Greater Houston “the middle of an urban area” is just incorrect.

    It’s the 4th most populated city in the US

    lmao

    TipRing,

    Houston is so big because the city has absorbed all the communities around it. It’s incredibly sprawled so the density is much lower than cities of comparable population. This creates all sorts of other issues, like the problem of paving over hundreds of square miles of wetland.

    WalrusDragonOnABike,

    Why do you think it’s so sparsely populated? What’s keeping people so far from each other? Is it just Houstonians are their own species and can’t stand to be in areas over a certain population density?

    RaoulDook,

    Because humans enjoy having lots of space to live in. Personally I would never go back to living in an apartment since I can afford a house and land. I’ve lived in small apartments, big apartments, a single-wide trailer, large houses, small houses, and medium houses. Medium house with acreage of land is the best living situation of all for me.

    Gabu,

    Did you really decide that posting that was a good idea? Did you seriously think about it at all before writing it?

    Telodzrum,

    Yeah, this place is dumb as hell and you idiots need to know that.

    RaoulDook,

    I concur bro. These bullshitters are high on their own farts and apparently can’t see the truth that they are never going to change the vast landscape of America into their imaginary Soviet-style shithole idea of a “utopia” where people don’t drive and live in tiny boxes in human hives.

    paaviloinen,

    Soviet Union was bad for multiple reasons but in major cities the housing was not really any worse than anywhere else in the world. I guess you just enjoy spending 3 hours a day in your car.

    RaoulDook,

    I don’t commute to work often, but when I do it’s only about a 20 minute drive in light traffic. I certainly wouldn’t spend 3 hours a day in a car to commute to work when there are plenty of jobs within that 20 minute commute from my house.

    paaviloinen,

    The point was that in total you probably spend more time in your car than any sane average European would, because you lack options. And because you lack options it’s a hellscape for anyone who can’t drive a car. The point wasn’t your commute, because your commute probably doesn’t represent the median. Also good for you. My commute is also irrelevant, but it’s five minutes walk to a train, ten minutes by train and five minutes walk from the train to the office, all that in an environment where I don’t fear for my life, the noise level permits me to whisper to other people without them having difficulties hearing me.

    Gabu,

    Cool story. Come back when your brain has developed past the age of 2, we’ll gladly discuss then.

    Anarch157a,
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    I think OP’s argument is that the interchange is a symptom of low density urban sprawl and all the associated maladies that come with it.

    unexposedhazard,

    You forgot the homeless people, forced to live under that interchange because you know, america, freedom etc…

    NENathaniel,
    @NENathaniel@lemmy.ca avatar

    I could be wrong but iirc, Italy also has a lot of homelessness

    LazaroFilm,
    @LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

    Counted in the population.

    unexposedhazard,

    According to wikipedia, 8.4/10k for italy vs 17.5/10k for the US. So while the US is the richest country in the world they have twice as many homeless people per capita :/

    NENathaniel,
    @NENathaniel@lemmy.ca avatar

    I see thanks for clarification

    lars,

    Omg make it stop — I’m already too free

    taladar,

    If they are lucky enough that nobody installed some hostile architecture there to keep them out.

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