Yes, and most importantly I would say : immune system’s way of cleaning each side…
The clogging is caused by the swelling (with the blood vessels and the action of blood’s white cells … or … maybe I should read the article again)
I was going to say because it would be fucking weird if we just had one big nose hole. Now I’m thinking about it, our nostrils are already pretty weird.
I’m now looking in the mirror at my nostrils and pumping them to the beat of a song.
Also just to add to the torture of these conversations … the inside of your lungs also have a certain ‘scent’ or ‘aroma’ to it. It’s very subtle and wouldn’t be noticeable to anyone else except for yourself because the exhaled air is coming straight out of your lungs and right past your nostrils and all its receptors. Your receptors can sense it but your brain automatically ignores it and you never notice.
The same goes for your vision … you have a natural blind spot in the center of your vision … the edges are not crisp and clean, you can only focus on about 10 percent of what you actually see in front of you, the rest is just blurry … your brain just automatically processes your entire vision and autogenerates a perceived image that makes us believe that we have crystal clear vision through our entire field of view.
Same goes with hearing … just about every person has a tiny bit of tinnitus, ringing of the ears but your brain just automatically processes it all out to make you think that you have crystal clear hearing.
When you think about it … all our senses are pretty imperfect and there is a lot of interference and nonsense data that our brain processes out to make us believe that we have perfect or near perfect vision, hearing and sense of smell.
you can only focus on about 10 percent of what you actually see in front of you,
I read about this when I was in high school and it freaked me out because I convinced myself that there were Cthulhu-like eldritch abominations inhabiting the spaces I could not see RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME and I couldn’t concentrate on school for the rest of the day.
Yeah, when I read that book I was like: this reminds me of that time I freaked out in high school!
I admire the fact that the author put it online for free, and it’s a pretty good book, but it could have been better… Watts could have taken all those ideas about consciousness and humanity and produced something like 1984 or Catch-22 that embodies ideas that might otherwise get lost in abstractions. Unfortunately the ideas all get a little muddled.
Yeah for sure! On the other hand it being such a dense, philosophical book means it really stands up to and benefits from a re-read! And the audiobook has a great narrator IMO.
Well, this conversation inspired me to finally read The Colonel, which reminded me of how great some of Watts’ ideas could be. Guess I’ll have to get a copy of Echopaxia next.
Oh damn I didn’t know about that! I’ll be reading that this week, thanks for the link!
Echopaxia was definitely different, I wasn’t crazy about it my first read through but it had me shook pretty good my second read through. I highly recommend it!
I wish it was that easy. Flonase did nothing for me other than cause my nose to bleed. Azelastine helped some though and that makes sense for me, my congestion is likely caused by dust mite allergy.
Affrin is amazing for what it is. A few weeks ago I had a sinus headache so bad I threw up. Affrin cleared it up in 30 seconds, and I was able to maintain it without affrin after that.
Nosebleeds can happen and certainly do for some. Nasal hydration helps (for instance, ayr gel in combination with saline spray or irrigations). Ultimately, a good portion of patients that don’t tolerate or fail nasal steroids get surgery.
Azelaetine is fantastic - there’s a lot of patients I prescribe it in conjunction with Flonase. Allergic rhinitis or even just excessive secretions is common in patients with inferior turbinate hypertroph/nasal obstruction, and both meds have a function. They sell it as a combination, actually, but often insurance doesn’t cover the combo.
I had a doctor basically remove everything from my nose that could be removed including a bunch of the turbinates. It’s great I can actually breathe through it now.
Yeah, inferior turbinate reduction is the next small step for this. Often if it’s just alternating nasal obstruction that’s good enough. Oftentimes there’s another component of nasal valve collapse or septal deviation. Personally, in my population, I end up doing septorhinoplasty (nose job) way more often than other smaller nasal surgery.
You don’t want them to actually remove the turbinates, however. We generally just shrink them down – removing them makes the nasal air less turbulent, and difficult to sense airflow. TL;DR it make look like you can drive a semi truck through the nose, but people will feel like they cannot breathe at all. People have killed themselves over this.
It can happen, but the way most ENTs train these days, unlikely. I’ve seen it twice that I recall off the top of my head, but very rare these days.
Most ENTs, including myself, are overly cautious. You’re at a higher risk for symptom recurrence because of under resection.
That being said, I wouldn’t let an oral surgeon or general plastic surgeon touch my family member’s nose (unless they had a very very good reputation). Nothing wrong with their work, I’m just not sure they had the same training and respect for the nose.
True; I, and I’m sure most other physicians would not provide identifiable data in a public forum. If you are having issues with nasal obstruction, alternating or otherwise., best advice is to follow up with your pcm for treatment, possible referral.
If you hold your breath to the point you can’t anymore your body will automatically clear your nostrils in an attempt to help you not suffocate to death
Where did you get anti dustmite sheets? I looked a few years back and all I could find were $200 medical covers that were basically plastic bags and 1000 different ones on Amazon with 1* durability reviews. I would love to have a “legit” source and maybe some info on expectations.
I was legit thinking about getting a bagged vacuum but didn’t because there’s too many options and I got stuck in that analysis paralysis. Thanks for the recommendation, there really is a YouTube channel for everything!
Thanks for the game plan! I’m legit cleaning out the bedrooms this weekend and will give this a try. I had the same experience with hotels but I was like “I guess my nose just, like, really loves that bleach smell.” 😆
Yep, never thought I had allergies. I was prescribed an antihistamine for a sleep disorder, and noticed this doesn’t happen to me when I take antihistamines.
No joke my doctor told me I should whash my sinis everyday before bed and told me to buy a specific bottle that makes it easier and safer, I did and OMG, life changing!! Just don’t wash your sinus with regular water please!
no no, it’s like the photo bellow. My doctor recomended because there is a button that allows the water to go on the necessary speed only, that way it doesn’t allow water to go to your ears and give you an infection.
Everytime I hear someone mention sinus, I get confused about what that is. Wikipedia says it’s airpockets surrounding the nose. I don’t feel anything besides fat and bone when I press down around my nose. Are they inside the skull? How do you access them?
Yes they are air pockets inside the skull, that’s why when you clean it you can just push water through one nostril and it will come out on the other, because it fills the sinus. Also, sometimes you can feel you teeth too sensitive because you have something on the sinus above them
Hmmm. This sounds promising. I notice that when I go on vacation and sleep overnight somewhere I usually don’t have any problems. Figured it was an allergen in the house but wasn’t sure what. I’ll take a further look into this. Thanks :)
I think it has something to do with needing more oxygen, just like doing push-ups will help and so will running around or even just stopping your breathing for ~30 seconds. Your body will eventually go into a higher alert state.
It just helps for a short bit though, when you relax your nasal passage does too and blocks all again.
It would by a sympathetic response from catecholamines – that’s how it constricts; however, I didn’t know that it had been studied and was actually effective in real life until today.
Won’t do much for the natural blocking. Notably is that this blocking is NOT caused by clogging. It’s your nose deliberating shutting one hole slightly.
The reason this is because some smells take more exposure to detect while others can be detected immediately. The nose physically constricts airflow to accomplish this uneven speed on both sides.
I would never claim to know what your body does but FYI there is a popular misconception that diary promotes snot. The idea is based on the magical principle that like attracts like, there's no evidence for it.
That’s an interesting read (after Googling) , especially the studies. I would love to be one of those types that says “Fake News” to anything I don’t like, but the initial science seems to be there.
Sorry if that seemed to be my intention. As I mentioned, all bodies are different and if you say that happens to you I'm perfectly willing to believe it.
However, there is also a common misunderstanding about this which seems relevant to mention.
The no doubt reputable "livelovefruit.com" claims "Milk and Mucus: Why Dairy is The Major Cause of Your Phlegm, Mucus and Congestion Issues" and then spends several paragraphs railing against diary industry science before citing some tangential studies.
"Milk and dairy product intake was not associated with an increase in upper or lower respiratory tract symptoms of congestion or nasal secretion weight." - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2154152/
"Excessive milk consumption has a long association with increased respiratory tract mucus production and asthma. Such an association cannot be explained using a conventional allergic paradigm and there is limited medical evidence showing causality. " - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19932941/
All good. When I said initial science I meant what you said with the studies not really seeing a rise due to milk.
I was taking a jab at those that yell fake news to anything they don’t like and they did their own research so I can’t do the same when there is science saying hey that’s probably not the case with the milk.
Thanks for pointing it out. I hadn’t seen those studies before.
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