wouldn’t that fall under human studies? imo this is more a problem of splitting classes into more categories so you gotta pay more time/money for the same amount
I haven’t looked at the lgbt spaces on Lemmy. Are they as bad as Reddit was?
Where people don’t understand what a definition is and say everyone is whatever they feel like that particular Tuesday?
I left so many spaces when they got taken over by people who just wanted to collect labels without understanding what they meant, and instead just morphing labels to mean whatever they wanted.
So if we arent open to understanding something as important to being human as gender, why not toss out all other fields that also study human social lives. Bye to anthropology, sociology, etc.
Anyone saying they’re the bad guys is armchair quarterback-ing a people’s fight against annihilation.
If YOUR people lived in a militarily patrolled, constantly surveilled, walled off piece of your former homeland, from which you couldn’t leave to go visit a hospital without your oppressor’s army’s approval, and that same army tried to calculate food rations to keep you only just above starvation to keep you passive, and could arrest without cause and indefinitely hold you….would you really say that a group of your people were wrong for lashing out? Now on top of that, the civilian populace can be given permission by that same government to take arms and evict you and your family from your ancestral home. Are you wrong for lashing out?
Right. Why not peacefully protest? I’m pretty sure that the desperation needed to throw a rock at a tank is incomprehensible to entitled Americans who have never missed a meal out of necessity. There is very little real support for the Palestinian genocide, but a strong false narrative. This article has some descriptions of the day to day struggle of Palestinians living under apartheid.
That’s a whole other discussion, but what are the Palestinian people to do under an illegal occupation that aims for genocide? That said, Palestinians are not Hamas, and Israel did a lot to support Hamas to thwart the Palestinian Authority. The history is long and complicated, but I just asked for links, since I have not seen those posts.
Raping women and little girls isn’t “lashing out” or “taking arms”. Neither is murdering children. Israel’s treatment of Palestinians has been, and still is, abhorrent. But let’s not pretend that rape and child murder are a necessary part of struggle against oppression. Hamas aren’t the only bad guys, but they’re definitely bad guys.
That’s pretty much the extent of the “both sides bad” argument, no real substance. It’s a cowardly way of siding with the opressor. I think it’s also based heavily on ignorance, as if both sides have equal power and they could just have a gentleman’s agreement to duel at midday and settle it. That totally ignores both reality and history, but I get it, it makes one feel he has the moral high ground without actually doing anything or even taking a stand.
I’m not discussing this with you. There is no situation in which rape is a reasonable option, nor is it helpful for military strategy. Your argument would work for “dishonorable” military tactics like guerilla warfare, but it does not apply here.
But I think when people say things like “what did you expect to happen [given the Palestinians material conditions]” or even “not all Palestinians are Hamas” all they hear is “Jews bad! America bad!” Because, basically, they’re programmed to.
They’re bad guys because they murdered a bunch of families and young people minding their own business. They’re bad guys for weaponizing rape. They’re bad guys for knowingly bringing the wrath of the Israeli military down on Gaza. They’re bad guys for using money given to them by Israel and other nations to do those things instead of helping Gazans.
Note that I’m calling them “bad guys”, not “the bad guys”, because they don’t hold the monopoly on being bad. The IDF are also bad guys for their willingness to bomb buildings full of civilians for the chance of maybe killing a Hamas member or collapsing a tunnel.
Why do we have to reduce it to “good” or “bad”? They have reprehensible methods, but the fact that they exist is an inevitable consequence of the conditions that the Palestinians have been living in for decades.
The idea that Hamas and the IDF are two “sides” is itself absurd. Hamas have absolutely no chance of victory against the IDF. There is no world in which they can even compete! They are a desperate attempt to take action by a people who have been pushed to the brink.
They aren’t a side, they are a symptom. They’ve done terrible things! But those things are a consequence of the circumstances that caused Hamas to exist.
Who do you blame for the deaths of innocent German civilians during World War 2? I blame Hitler, but it sounds like you blame the Allies for fighting back.
Like many things in life, the answer isn’t “either this or that.” Plenty of blame to go around.
Many deaths because of Hitler, but what about Nazi leadership? When you consider things like the firebombing of Dresden it turns into an even greyer shade of grey.
Considering nuance takes more effort, but ultimately it’s more rewarding than black and white thinking.
I don’t really understand the down votes, so I must not have made myself clear in my last comment. My point was that Hitler and Nazi leadership caused all of that to happen. If Hitler hadn’t been such a monster and invaded the rest of Europe, Dresden would have never been firebombed. Similarly if Israel hasn’t tried to genocide Palestinians, there wouldn’t have been an attack on the music festival.
Horrible things happen during war. The only way to prevent that is by not starting one to begin with. I agree that Hamas has done terrible things, but the blame must ultimately lie with Israel.
There’s a stark difference between “Israel is the greater of two evils” and “Israel is evil, Hamas is against Israel. Hamas must be good.”. I don’t think most people are trying to push the idea that Israel is good outside of MSM news outlets and their audiences. At least not here.
Hitler, Nazi leadership, Nazi soldiers, Swiss bankers, the Ribbentrop Pact… allied commanders, allied bomber pilots. They all have some of the responsibility for civilians burning in Dresden etc.
I blame Israel more for the current situation too.
I got into a huge argument with that fuck, ended up blocking them because I just couldn’t deal with the sheer Hamas ball gargling/anti-Semitism/general racism they espoused. That user is not a good faith arguer, they’ll shout racist bullshit and then call you racist for calling them out.
About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi, that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.
If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
Even if they’re both wrong, aren’t they also both opinions? People can have (an express) opinions that are factually wrong. I think the community should just downvote those kinds of posts instead of them being removed by mods.
An opinion that is just a factually wrong idea isn’t an opinion, it’s just a false belief that something is true
Actual untruths should be removed by mods, they only serve to trick the uninformed into believing false shit. Down votes mean very little, many times someone who’s 100% factually right gets down voted because the community just doesn’t like what was said
Yeah but I’d rather not have the mods remove anything - it’s the ol’ “how do we fact check the fact checkers” conundrum.
One instance of an object or subject, can be viewed completely differently relative to your position in space and time. The observations of how something is functioning can be completely different from one observer to another, yet they can both be correct at the same time.
So how exactly do you tell the truths from the untruths without proving intentional manipulation in the first place?
I got banned from a sub for saying a video of a russian soldier shooting himself five feet from his troop was sad. I dont like Russia right now, but that is still sad and fucked.
Having sympathy for Vietnam vets is the same thing, except culturally acceptable for Americans. You can root for Russia to lose and also mourn the lives lost in a war that civilians were forced to participate in.
The removal of a Russian army function is not sad, but the death and suicide of a human being is very sad. If the person saw desertion as an exit strategy, they might have saved and turned their life around, but there probably were reasons that they didn’t see that as viable or desirable.
Just yesterday a comment where I said Hamas and the Israeli government are equally shitty got removed (edit: I can see it again now) from a WorldNews community. Sure, Israel is killing way more civilians right now and that is an absolute atrocity that must stop right now. But if that makes you turn around and pretend Hamas isn’t a bunch of murderous cunts, then you got your head screwed on wrong. Israel is ahead in numbers because Hamas lacks the opportunity to get even.
The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.
It may be a bit of an edgelord take but as long as there’s Kahanites in Israel’s government calling them a bunch of murderous cunts really isn’t off-base: Kahanites definitely are that and the rest are tolerating it and therefore at least complicit.
Still have never encountered nobody literally saying ‘Hamas are the good guys’. But I guess any purely causal pondering on understanding what takes a human being into joining terrorist ranks is banned in this society. I don’t wanna understand, just bomb it flat.
When I first got on lemmy some of the hexies tried to convince me that N Korea was a pretty chill place to live. Hexbear is still the only instance I’ve seen of horseshoe theory actually existing.
The thing they have in common aren’t left/right things—that’s most people in most nations. Authoritarianism is authoritarianism. And governments, like people, can be left/right socially and the opposite, economically.
They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.
Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
Maybe! It looks like state capitalism imo, but I’d really need to have this discussion with people who are well versed in economics, and not USA style economics, since we’ve basically messed up the meanings of everything. I’m wondering what Picketty might say?
It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.
Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
Gender studies might help us understand why and how though. I’m trans myself, but I do not like gender. Most of the time, gender is not actually what we’re talking about. I try to replace gender with ability, recognition, variance etc. whenever possible and not erasing.
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