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glennglog22, in Just install EndeavorOS lol
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This is more or less my experience with it. My noob-ass just can't handle even EndeavorOS.

Aatube,
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What problems did you run into?

glennglog22,
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Trying to install a lot of shit, primarily. I figured out that a lot of programs that I wanted were only available (to my knowledge) in .deb format which I couldn't get working in the distro, That and I'm still not used to using the terminal to install anything. Literally the only thing I miss from Windows is using wizards to install things. I understand a lot of this is purely skill issue though.

Owljfien,

I found installing pamac and the enabling the arch user repository gives you most things that are debs, that of course involves using the cli to install pamac though

interceder270,

Manjaro has Pamac installed by default.

Owljfien,

I wouldn’t use manjaro with aur though, as it can fall a bit behind what most people posting aurs are building with

interceder270,

I haven’t had any issues and I’ve been using it for 3 years.

Holzkohlen,

But installing via terminal is so much more convenient compared to those stupid windows installer. Not to mention you don’t have to download all those stupid installers again each time you want to update, unless the devs provide their own update mention in the software itself.

glennglog22, (edited )
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I'm sure it is, but it's a matter of remembering/knowing how the commands work vs literally clicking labelled buttons.

Also I'm sure if this was on Reddit, I'd be getting downvoted like crazy, so I appreciate y'all being helpful instead of doing that.

boomzilla, (edited )

yay SEARCHTERM

It spits out all the packages with SEARCHTERM in its name or description. The packages are listed like “REPO/PACKAGE” , where REPO tells you if it’s from the official repos (core/extra/multilib) or from the AUR.

Then pick the number of the package from the list and that’s it.

If you want to update all your packages, even the AUR ones just enter yay and press enter on the follow-up questions. If you update with pacman -Syu then AUR packages won’t get updated.

Also Octopi is a nice frontend for yay and pacman. Not as fancy as Discover or Pamac but it does its job well.

Aatube, (edited )
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Just using endeavour's bundled yay, you can install most packages including deb ones that users have written a "how to install" for. https://aur.chaotic.cx/ would also be nice.

interceder270,

Try Manjaro if you haven’t already.

It’s more popular than endeavor, but has way fewer shills.

Holzkohlen,

Can’t wait for the manjaro bot network to DDOS the AUR again…

Aradia,
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That was Pamac right? 😂

glennglog22,
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I might consider it next time I have time to kill and the motivation to mess with anything arch-related.

NoisyFlake,

Since Endeavour is just Arch with a graphical installer and a few extra tools, I‘d say it’s way more popular.

max, in Just install EndeavorOS lol

I really like Debian I was using Arch before, but Debian looks better to me

Xavier, in But Windows 11 is so good!!11!1!

I have a single windows 11 system while everything else is on some form of Linux distro.

That windows system has never been connected to the internet, and it has been great without ever causing any of the typical update issues (although I update applications/components manually over an isolated NAS link).

It’s sad to see that everyday users have gotten habituated to these constant workflow braking updates. No wonder many people I know are jumping to the Apple ecosystem after getting a taste with a M2.

TheKingBee, (edited )
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It’s sad to see that everyday users have gotten habituated to these constant workflow braking updates.

I’ve never understood this problem, people talk like it has a mind of it’s own and i just don’t get it.

I’m running windows 11 pro and have never had updates interrupt my shit.

Updates show up in my system tray, then it updates overnight when i sleep.

TheGrandNagus, (edited )

Most don’t leave their PC on overnight.

I remember when I went on my lunch break and came back to see my PC part way through upgrading to Windows 10, which I never agreed to. So yeah, Windows update can definitely act bizarrely.

Pantherina,

I mean… having updates that suck is not a good solution but for sure do every update please.

Its just excrutiatingly slow, like 5min one time where Fedora Kinoite is more stable, doesnt fuck up other partitions and goes in the background while using the system!

Android (GrapheneOS) is even better with updates in the background and very low CPU usage, one reboot and you are there.

Or just regular mutable Linux distros seperating packages that dont need a reboot from packages that do.

billwashere, in TIL

In my freshman year of computer science our main computer lab was filled with Sage IV machines. Basically a Motorola 68k series with 4 or 5 serial terminals. Most people were writing Pascal code or using a simple word processor. But god forbid you were on there with someone taking assembly language. Because they could write really stupid code with super tight loops that never allowed any other code to run, and the only thing you could do was reboot. So if you hadn’t saved your code you were fucked.

So I never purposely wrote really bad code that would overwrite unprotected shared memory with random quotes from Marvin from HHGTG to mess with other people. I would never do that. That would have been unethical and shit… 🤔

I did learn a lot of basic hardware and operating systems though so there’s that.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage_Computer_Technology

warmaster, in /etc/fstab entry for Synology NAS

Filesharing drove me insane.

I ended up ripping the HDDs and putting them on my server, then proceeded to share the drives as normal. My docker containers now use them perfectly fine. IDK wtf Synology is doing but it’s cumbersome AF.

SrTobi, in Just install EndeavorOS lol

Don’t know what people have? The last time wifi didnt work out of the box for me was like 2010

interceder270,

My Ideapad Gaming 3 with a 3060 didn’t have Wifi working out of the box.

For awhile I had to install a kernel module everytime I updated Linux to get Wifi working. Thankfully I found what I needed on Github the day I got the laptop.

Zangoose, (edited )
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Broadcom, it’s always broadcom’s fault

abir_vandergriff, (edited )

Ugh I had to get an obscure PCIe card working a few years back and it was a huge pain. I believe I ended up having to find the broadcom chipset by model because the generic brand driver didn’t support it, then the arch repos didn’t have the driver for the model, and there were several aur packs available that I had to try one by one. And it was kernel module loaded, so each was a reboot.

Absolute hell of a time, probably about 5 years ago.

brisk, (edited )

I’ve got two Linux boxes that I got new, different, wifi cards for recently. Turns out both those cards have the same Intel AX200 chip which has had a variety of problems causing frequent dropouts that the community has slowly nutted out since I’ve had them, including requiring a kernel patch.

The two big ones are a faulty default power saving mode, and problems talking to a Wireless n router when in WiFi 5 mode.

Xavier, in Just install EndeavorOS lol

That reminds me, some time ago I tried installing Garuda on a Ryzen 5800H based mini PC but there where so many issues (namely worrisome graphical artefacting, which has never occurred with other distros on the same mini PC) I had to abort and abandon trying it until maybe the next or a future release.

I simply wanted to check out Garuda (arch based, if I recall well). I used the Cinnamon iso with Ventoy (not sure where the issue arose from).

Holzkohlen,

That’s weird. I have had zero issues with it so far (talking about distro specific issues) and I am running this with an AMD APU, Nvidia GPU, prime offloading on wayland. Works like an absolute charm. Though granted, this isn’t quite out of the box, you may not need to be a wizard to figure it out, but I would not recommended this to a noob.

imgel, in Just install EndeavorOS lol

Only people with time to lose use Arch.

Aradia,
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Once you learn about Linux, you go faster than any other noob. And that is very useful for programming/hacking jobs, faster than all those noobs with 0 knowledge about what is what.

lemmyvore, (edited )

Normally I have the valet bring the PC around but I let him go early today 'cause it’s his birthday.

Aatube,
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i disagree, aur save big time

FaeDrifter,

Once you have distrobox set up with an arch container, you have access to the aur no matter what distro ypu’re running.

Aatube, (edited )
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"i use <some other distro>"
sets up arch inside some other distro just for aur
run aur program inside arch
"i use <some other distro>"

Mummelpuffin, (edited )
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And guess what? It won’t break like your over-complex Arch desktop because it doesn’t need to be.

Aatube,
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who said arch desktops were complex?

Chewy7324, (edited ) in Just install EndeavorOS lol

I often use Arch in a container, when I need a fhs distro. EndeavourOS is great for desktop use if you don’t want to go through the Arch install process.

DeltaChat is an awesome messenger. It’s federated, quick and simple to use. Also, I didn’t realize DC was on the fediverse for so many years.

logir,

What do you mean Delta chat is on the fediverse?

Chewy7324,

I meant that Delta Chat has a mastodon account for at least 5 years: chaos.social/

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  • Chewy7324,

    The first part is about the meme. Arch has it’s (dis-)advantages depending on the use case.

    I wrote the second part because OP mentioned they’ve found the meme “at deltachat”, which is a email-based messenger I use. It’s a topic adjacent to linux as it’s open source software with linux support.

    delta.chat

    fl42v, in Just install EndeavorOS lol

    Basically, most of the points there fall into some of 3 categories:

    1. Your hardware is crap:
    • WiFi not working;
    • Nvidia failed;
    1. You ability to read/follow simple instructions is crap:
    • WiFi not working;
    • Messed up installation;
    • Nvidia failed;
    • No answer in the wiki;
    1. Lies/outdated:
    • Updater broke system;
    • Troubleshoot everything;
    • No answer in the wiki;
    macattack,

    This guy Arches

    fl42v,

    I Arched for like 4 years or so, and now I NixOS. Got somewhat tired of modifying configs in 100500 places and eventually forgetting what exactly I’ve changed 😅

    Nevertheless, I still think arch is great, and, as a side note, it does provide a good understanding of Linux on the upper-low level (not like LFS or even gentoo, but still very much viable).

    TootSweet,

    I use Arch and I lol’d.

    fushuan,

    About 3, idk what’s going on with my system, but sometimes after a big yay update, the kde login fails (something about the plasma environment failing to boot or idk I have not debugged it correctly yet), then after a reboot systemd-boot fails to load it and the efi entry dissapears. I’m forced to arch-chroot and reinstall the bootctl. After doing so, sometimes I have to do it again and other times it logs correctly.

    Again, not debugged it correctly but it’s not like I did any kind of weird change to any config, just installed some flatpaks, some steam games, and lutris for League, which in the end is basically wine, and a yay update provoking this behaviour is pretty bad.

    abir_vandergriff,

    I’ve had this happen. I never did figure it out, personally. I distro hopped a bit and eventually ended up back on Arch and it didn’t happen again, so I guess it was a bugged install?

    Journalctl might be a great friend here.

    fushuan,

    Yeah, I’ve taken the routine of logging into tty3 before kde to pipe the journal tal output into a file to debug only the error if it happens. Yeah I know I can fine tune then output to get only the last execution and so on and I have done it, but it was not that clear and this happened after a work day and I wanted to fuck off and chill so the next time it happens I’ll be more through.

    Just Linux stuff xD

    abir_vandergriff,

    Yeah, I feel that man. Hopefully it doesn’t happen again though.

    fl42v,

    I’ve personally encountered mentioned behavior with kde on both arch and kde neon, so I’m inclined to think it’s their f-up. As for sd-boot, I’m not sure: I’ve used it on arch for a short while only, and then just ditched bootloaders altogether for efistub

    fushuan,

    Yeah, it’s not that big of a deal for me, but damn if this would not be a deal breaker for a regular user, and I ensure you that a regular user would install league and steam or something of the sort xD

    Like, I’m a software engineer and arch-chrooting once in a while to launch some commands is nbd, but a regular office worker that hardly runs some commands once in a while in terminals, copied from (safe) random places? Yeah good luck I bet they would just either distro hop or format and reinstall windows.

    interdimensionalmeme,

    If I have to edit a config file, this means the OS is a failed piece of garbage

    fl42v,

    I could say inability to edit a config file is worth reevaluating of what is a failed piece of garbage here… But it won’t be fair. If you don’t want to deal with configs, go ahead and use chromeos or something :P

    Jokes aside, pop-os is great ootb.

    cakeistheanswer,
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    I’ve kind of come and gone full circle on this one. It fits in the same space as the terminal, way more useful when you know what you want.

    Some config files are a lot easier to get the behavior I want, but editing a poorly formatted (or in some some cases pointlessly complicated) config is a quick nope out.

    Too many options to learn a new language.

    AlmightySnoo, in Mandrake Linux 10.0, from 2004. They still work too. Had to buy them on disc, slow dialup internet in those days.
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    Ubuntu used to ship free CDs too: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ubuntu_10.04_CDs.jpg

    They stopped doing that in 2011.

    johsny,
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    56_,
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    Are the forum and documentation links the wrong way round?

    Davel23,

    No, you had to read the documentation to learn how to access the forums, and you had to ask on the forums how to access the documentation.

    Aatube,
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    (/s)

    johsny,
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    Sharp eye, I never noticed that in 20 years.

    aard,
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    A few years before Ubuntu quite a few companies tried doing their own distributions. Back then it still was common to sell them in a proper software box - CDs or DVDs, manuals and some swag, at minimum stickers, but quite often also pins or some other stuff.

    On exhibitions they’d often give away full boxes to get people to try - sometimes the current version, sometimes the last release. I still have a bunch of those in the garage - I think Corel (yes, the painting program guys) should be one of them.

    dewritoninja, in Just install EndeavorOS lol

    I always say Ubuntu, to make the haters snap

    rotopenguin,
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    groaaaan…

    Pantherina,

    Its not a very good OS. Very opinionated, weird modded GNOME, nonstandard Snap doing weird stuff. But its probably okayish and pretty stable

    ProtonBadger, in But Windows 11 is so good!!11!1!

    I haven't booted Windows since February and at this point I'm afraid to.

    YurkshireLad,

    Be afraid, be very afraid.

    LostXOR,

    If you haven't used Windows in that long you might as well just get rid of it.

    Morphior,

    Unfortunately not possible for me. I daily Arch (btw) and hadn’t booted into Windows for months and months until my university professor came along and said “btw, we’re gonna build GUIs using Microsoft Foundation Classes in Visual Studio now, and yes, you have to use Visual Studio on Windows in the exam”. So nope, not uninstalling Windows.

    Hexarei,
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    Sounds like prime time for a virtual machine to me!

    jlow,

    I was wondering if you can do BIOS updates through wine (because obviously they only are supplied as .exes) but it doesn’t sound like something I’d like to try …

    LostXOR,

    Aren't BIOS updates usually done by putting the update file on a flash drive and installing it from the BIOS? I've never heard of updating BIOS from Windows with an executable.

    RandomChain,
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    Yeah, some vendors do this, I think the .exe basically unpacks the .bin file then calls some API or something to push it from Windows while it’s running. Probably done for the sake of more casual users who don’t know/want to mess with the actual BIOS UI.

    Rusty,

    Yesterday after a reboot windows added a fucking bing search bar in the middle of my desktop.

    BrianTheeBiscuiteer, in But Windows 11 is so good!!11!1!

    In the Windows community I’m guessing the top message would say:

    When you install Linux but didn’t realize a dozen locales were preselected

    Oisteink,

    “I keep having packages that are not updated when I run apt update; apt upgrade - no matter how many times I type it!!1!”

    0x4E4F, in But Windows 11 is so good!!11!1!

    Just use Windows Update Blocker 🤷.

    www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-8/

    AlternateMrPapaya,

    Nah. WuMgr is what you want.

    0x4E4F,

    Yeah… this doesn’t stop automatic updates… or at least it wasn’t mentioned in the description.

    Pantherina,

    ChrisTitus Winutil setting updates to “security only” is a solution. This is dangerous, even more as Windows is a malware target

    0x4E4F, (edited )

    Did you have windows updates enabled by default (automatic) in versions prior to Win10?

    And you get security only with LTSC. Plus, it has no apps, so it’s a double win.

    aniki,

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  • 0x4E4F, (edited )

    There is nothing better out there, trust me, I’ve searched. I would love to use something open source, but short of me writing it myself, there is no better solution at the moment… well, at least not for my needs.

    smileyhead,

    Just use some unknown program in binary form downloaded from random site that require adminstration access and God knows what it does, because Windows don’t have an option or config file to change simple thing👌.

    0x4E4F,

    Have been using it for a while, does nothing malicios, plus I’ve done some RCE on it, as far as I’m aware, there is no malicious code in it.

    And I would love to know how I can stop automatic updates in Windows with a config file… cuz… you know, Windows never uses the registry for those kinds of things.

    smileyhead,

    As far as you are aware. Only author knows what code is in it.

    It’s basically like giving computer to a random guy on the street for a day as he promise to disable Windows update for you. Maybe he do it, maybe not, for you it worked, would it work for me? Will there be anything additional in the background running after, I don’t know.

    0x4E4F, (edited )

    That is true, yes, I do agree.

    But, on the other hand Windows is not open source as well and I have to use it for work or an oddball proogram here and there that just doesn’t run on Wine.

    Hell, people also use a lot of closed source code in their Linux installs as well. Let’s strat with drivers and firmware binary blobs, printer drivers (binary blobs as well, depends on manufacturer) and end with NLE software like DaVinci Resolve… we use binary blobs all the time, including our phones, and even though none of us asked for that, but instead was shoved down our throat in order to be able to live in a modern society, no one seems to complain about that… but, when a random stranger suggest using something, oh no, that thing most definitely is something malicious 😒.

    Run it in a sandbox for a while, see if it calls home. If it does try to call, block it with a firewall, is that so hard 😒… though I’ve never seen it even try to call home or do something malicious, and as I said, I’ve been using it for years. Also, people use a lot of their products, I have yet to see one complaint regarding any of their products doing something malcious.

    kautau,

    The thing that annoys me the most with this is powershell “modules.” Like the most recommended module to use powershell to update windows… just has a raw DLL in its repo

    github.com/mgajda83/PSWindowsUpdate

    The source code is just “run routines from this binary file, that you will never see the source code of”

    Opafi,

    This module contain cmdlets to manage Windows Update Client.

    Sounds trustworthy to me.

    https://feddit.de/pictrs/image/d6305125-2316-4b0c-a87e-b92b70a473d8.jpeg

    evatronic,

    You can, in Windows, boot into a no network safe mode and set various registry and group policies to stop Windows updates.

    If you’re particularly frisky, there are alternatives to the WSUS, Windows Server Update Service you could deploy on your local network.

    It’s a lot of work, though.

    0x4E4F,

    It’s a lot of work, though.

    Exactly. I have tried them all before and it is a lot of work and that’s why I opted for this one click solution. Sure, it’s not open source, but I’ve been using it for years, it’s never done something malicious. I’ve also done some RCE on it, and I came to the conclusion that this thing is most probably legit and has no malicious intents.

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