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TheGrandNagus, (edited ) in Is there any future for the GTK-based Desktop Environments?

This article can pretty much be summed up as I don’t like GTK or Gnome so I’m going to just present them being shit as a factual statement. I use Arch and KDE btw.

Gnome 3 released close to 13 years ago and was announced 16 years ago. At some point, people need to stop crying about the UX changes and get the fuck over it.

If you don’t like it, use something else and stop being so entitled.

MonkderZweite, (edited )

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    TheGrandNagus, (edited )

    See the above. Stop being entitled. It’s their project and most of the work is done by volunteers, for free.

    If you find their product so detestable, don’t use it.

    You don’t have a god-given right to have free volunteers make software in the exact way you want them to.

    They are volunteers working on their own project, not slaves working on yours.

    Honestly nowhere outside of Linux do I see so many people get so much for free and yet be so spiteful and entitled in return.

    arthur, (edited )

    Apple, Microsoft and Google, on the other hand, decides what is best for them, shove it down the users’ throats and get users’ money (and personal data) in return…

    I think some criticism still valid though (but not the entitlement).

    rufus, (edited ) in As a normal, boring user that does nothing special other than browse the internet and the occasional "casual coding" -- what am I supposed to do with 32GiB of ram?

    Nothing. My laptop has 8GB and while this is somewhat the limit, it’s enough to browse, do office stuff, a bit of development/programming and even a bit of CAD for my 3D printer, video editing, retro-gaming and all sorts of things. I’d prefer to have 16GB because Firefox likes to eat a lot of RAM, but the laptop is too old for me to upgrade anything at this point.

    If you’d like to waste your resources, you could run 4 other operating systems simultaneously in VMs. Or try artificial intelligence chatbots and load one of the large language models. They can easily make use of 32GB of memory and more.

    SaltyIceteaMaker, (edited )
    @SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    I have 16 gigs of ddr4 sodimms so if you happen to live close enough (unlikely) and need ddr4 i’d be willing to give it to you for free

    halm,
    @halm@leminal.space avatar

    Agreed. I have ageing hardware that I upgraded to its maximum 16GB RAM, and I manage to browse the web and do basic office work with that. The most memory intensive work I do beside browsing is in GIMP, and I simply set some sensible virtual memory for that to work.

    Just use a light DE, or even scale back to only a WM. People insisting that KDE or Gnome are lightweight are exactly the same who claim that 32GB RAM is a minimum. Yeah, it is when even your desktop environment is bloated 🙄

    If you’re a gamer and can afford the hardware upgrades to stay at the current bleeding edge, go ahead. I keep an old box alive and make it work instead.

    Drito, (edited ) in are tiling WM good only for terminal?

    I can’t use something else than bspwm.

    sebsch, in As a normal, boring user that does nothing special other than browse the internet and the occasional "casual coding" -- what am I supposed to do with 32GiB of ram?

    Mount your .cache dirs into memory via tmpfs

    GustavoM, (edited )
    @GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

    Does it improve performance in any way? Seems a bit obvious, but I’ll ask anyways for the sake of curiosity.

    Acters,

    Yes, and if you have an ssd, it will decrease the amount of usage that the limited(albeit ridiculously high) read/write cycles the ssd is capable of. However, it is unlikely you will hit those limits with that kind of usage, lol

    Also, memory is faster always, but your usage is negligible. You can disable swap(linux/mac) or page file(windows) to force memory to be used, and your drive is used less. Firefox can be configured to disable disk cache and increase ram cache. Also, it will be noted that this cache is marked as temporary ram cache. any application that needs more ram can delete the temp cache for usage(dynamic ram usage)

    But that’s it. The best thing to do is live your life and be happy that you are future proofed for any task that may arise.

    ultra,

    yes.

    jeremias, in Is there any future for the GTK-based Desktop Environments?
    @jeremias@social.jears.at avatar

    If I develop anything with a GUI I use GTK4. It has a bit of a learning curve to it but honestly I’ve come to like it.

    I am currently creating a program for simulating networks and the drawing area is great for drawing the actual simulation because it basically allows you to have a cairo area as a widget so your possibilities there are basically unlimited and cairo is just a great drawing API.

    Also gtk is basically the only modern GUI toolkit that can be used with C, which is great because it is pretty much the only language I know well enough to program a big application with. (But GObject still feels like black magic to me)

    ultra, in As a normal, boring user that does nothing special other than browse the internet and the occasional "casual coding" -- what am I supposed to do with 32GiB of ram?

    Self host some stuff.

    bitwolf, in Is there any future for the GTK-based Desktop Environments?

    ❤️ GTK and Gnome.

    I swear the same people that complain about Gmome3+ also complain about Wayland.

    Both projects put a lot of thought into their controversial decisions, they’re attempting to learn from their mistakes.

    There comes a point where you need to adapt to change. And both these projects have proven their changes are beneficial.

    bitwolf, in As a normal, boring user that does nothing special other than browse the internet and the occasional "casual coding" -- what am I supposed to do with 32GiB of ram?

    With the rate at which Electron applications catch on? Nothing, you’ll end up using it all in a few years time.

    dessalines,

    Was just gonna say this. Run discord and slack, and you’re all set.

    NotAnArdvark, in As a normal, boring user that does nothing special other than browse the internet and the occasional "casual coding" -- what am I supposed to do with 32GiB of ram?

    Here’s a little script I’ve put in my $PATH, called memsum:

    
<span style="font-style:italic;color:#969896;">#!/usr/bin/bash
</span><span style="color:#323232;">/usr/bin/ps -eo rss,command --sort -rss </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">| </span><span style="color:#323232;">egrep $1 </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">| </span><span style="color:#323232;">awk </span><span style="color:#183691;">'{ hr=$1/1024 ; sum +=hr} END {print sum}'
</span>

    Now you can go: memsum firefox or memsum whatever and see that, actually, apps use a ridiculous amount of memory these days.

    I can get Firefox up to 8GB by using things like Office 365.

    Signfeld,

    Thanks for this, it’s so easy to just run this script when I’m curious.

    I got the warning “egrep: warning: egrep is obsolescent; using grep -E” so I just swapped that command to get rid of the message.

    olafurp,

    Browsers often use a lot of unreserved memory marked as free for whoever wants it. This is how you get 16GB browser sessions.

    ShortN0te,

    www.linuxatemyram.com

    theshatterstone54, in Poll: GUI framework for widgets/apps in Wayland

    I’ve played around with (only played around with, I haven’t done any actual development with either but I’ve heard they’re similar) GTK, QT and Tk (actually tkinter from Python), and QT seems the most intuitive. It just feels right to me, compared to the others.

    possiblylinux127, in As a normal, boring user that does nothing special other than browse the internet and the occasional "casual coding" -- what am I supposed to do with 32GiB of ram?

    Virtual Machines?

    YaBoyMax, in Is there any future for the GTK-based Desktop Environments?

    That KDE Plasma 5 is finally usable and stable, after having decided to stop pushing the ridiculous plasmoids on the user […] is like having an old whore finally becoming a respectable woman.

    Yeah, I stopped reading here.

    crusty,

    Wow that’s pretty gross

    Caboose12000,

    what the actual fuck

    callyral, in are tiling WM good only for terminal?
    @callyral@pawb.social avatar

    Yes, I’m using swaywm right now and I’m typing this comment on Firefox.

    Although most (if not all) tiling window managers are configured with a text editor, not a settings program.

    bismuthbob, in are tiling WM good only for terminal?
    @bismuthbob@sopuli.xyz avatar

    I use a tiling WM for everything. Libreoffice, games, Firefox/Chromium, file managers, etc. It all works and it is a great way to handle multiple monitors.

    Ultimatenab, in Just moved to Linux: a follow up

    One of us, one of us. I did the same only 2-3 hours into my first ever Linux install.

    Corr,

    I feel your pain :P
    I’m almost done getting everything back, I think!

    juli, (edited )

    How long until you start doing backups? 😂

    Edit: Took me some years btw

    Corr,

    I was trying to set up snapper, so sorta on my way there lol

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